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Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by agentgt »

libertine wrote: post #126
agentgt wrote: post #41

My company makes recruiting software and it we knew it was only a matter of time (a couple of years ago... now its obvious) before Google would enter the recruiting industry. Particularly because the major players other than LinkedIn basically rely entirely on Google. All Indeed, Monster, CareerBuilder do is buy Google Ads and then essentially resells the marketing. This is similar to the situation TripAdvisor is in…

I just don't get how this is considered "normal" - they create the ecosystem, let it thrive with the content users generate, and after some category/apps reach a certain interesting threshold, Google gathers all the data they have access to and use their massive distribution system to deploy their version built on the back of their userbase. I think it's dangerous, in all honesty. The same goes for Apple/Facebook/Ama…

This is not the same (boards/aggregators) as Yelp, HN, Reddit, Stackoverflow or various other user generated content review sites.

This is because most if not all the jobs come from the companies website. They are a search middleman similar to how Google is for almost everything else. They don't provide an ecosystem like say HN, Stackoverflow, Yelp, etc. In some ways they steal the content.

Sites like Indeed are basically doing the same thing that Google really should have been doing.

Now the boards/aggregators tried to provide "ecosystems" but they could never get it right because when people are looking for the job they are desperate and just don't give a... (or at least that is my theory. its also why linkedin works because its is passive).

I have noticed through our metrics (and I'm biased because we make job web sites for companies that hire) that the best candidates (despite what Indeed says) come from going directly to your website or come from LinkedIn (assuming non referral based).

If you are wondering how then Indeed/Career Builder et al do so well its that its hard to measure actual success (ie source to hire). It should be easy but sadly its not (don't have time for the details).

So what these guys provide is ton of traffic with lots of noise. Traffic that google could have easily provided.

So honestly I think it is sort of good they fail.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by bigtones »

The 'Hire' product just launched today actually came from an acquisition, it was not developed internally by Google at all.

It was developed by Bebop, a company Google acquired last year for $380 Million that was founded by Diane Greene (Founder of VMWare). When Google decided to bring Diane Greene on full time to run Google Cloud, they had to purchase her company in order to facilitate that. Bebop originally had aspirations to shake up the enterprise software space by building a suite of applications, and the 'Hire' app was the first one they produced. Bebop employees have been working on it since then and had a long beta period before the launch today. As noted in the TechCrunch article, the 'Hired' platform also runs the Google for Jobs website that launched earlier this year.

http://fortune.com/2016/01/04/google-paid-380-million-for-di...

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/bebop

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by s73ver »

StavrosK wrote: post #102
hellofunk wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and will replace Android as soon as a viable alternative is presented One alternative that's been around for a while you might like if you want to continue using smart mobile devices is an operating system made by Apple (not Google), called iOS (used to be called iPhone OS but it can now be used on tablets too even some music players like iPods have it). Just throwing that out there, they have a lot of similar feat…

iOS is better for privacy (Apple is more inept at cloud stuff than Google) but much, much worse for freedom. I don't want a device that I'll have to get Apple's permission to install stuff on.

Right now, which do you value more?

It's entirely possible that, in the near future, a competitor will show up that won't make you choose between the two. However, that time is not now.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by zo1 »

batbomb wrote: post #91
ramshanker wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>it's not only a viable alternative, but much better than Android in lots of ways. That is kind of a matter of individual taste. Many people are on the other side, and by the look of it, OP too. He/She is on android.

Viable doesn't mean "subjectively better"

He wasn't referring to the "viable" portion. He was commenting on: "[...] but much better than Android in lots of ways."

Indeed, saying something like "much better" is indeed subjective as we don't all agree to it and it's not based on objective facts.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by hunvreus »

We've tried Workable, Lever and about half a dozen other platforms. None of them stuck.

What has worked is to do everything in GitHub.

We wrote about it a few years ago [1] and should probably write an updated version of our approach, but in a nutshell;

- When candidates apply through our online form on our website or via email, we create a GitHub issue and assign it to the right person on our team.

- Everybody on the team gets to see who's applying and can easily take part into the discussion.

- We wrote a few small Chrome extensions that act as helpers for managing applications. For example Gdocs Preview [2], which allows us to display the preview of attachments (i.e. resumes) in the GitHub issue directly.

- We've added some automation with Zapier [3] (and some Python) to do things like;

  - Automatically close an issue and email the candidate if we label the issue as "To reject",

  - Automatically pull email answers from the applicants in the issue thread,

  - Automatically send an email asking people to book an interview time with Calendly [4]

  - ...
Now, this works mostly because we're a software company first and we're using GitHub for everything [5]. Additionally, compensations and feedback on applicants are shared with the whole team, not sure every organization would be comfortable with that level of transparency.

The main benefit is that there is virtually no friction for team members to help out with recruitment and share their opinion.

It's also part of our on-boarding to point new employees at their recruitment issue; they get to see what we discussed and how we perceived them through the process.

[1]: https://wiredcraft.com/blog/github-as-your-recruitment-platf...

[2]: https://github.com/Wiredcraft/gdocs-preview

[3]: https://zapier.com

[4]: https://calendly.com

[5]: https://wiredcraft.com/blog/github-for-everything/

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by libertine »

pm90 wrote: post #129
libertine wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't get how this is considered "normal" - they create the ecosystem, let it thrive with the content users generate, and after some category/apps reach a certain interesting threshold, Google gathers all the data they have access to and use their massive distribution system to deploy their version built on the back of their userbase. I think it's dangerous, in all honesty. The same goes for Apple/Facebook/Ama…

I have mixed views about this. I see your point that its definitely an unfair advantage to Google since its the default search engine and can gather so much data. But the existing job sites (indeed, for example) have done a piss poor job so far. I guess what I'm saying is: I would have been a lot more concerned if Indeed was amazing and Google stepped in specifically to destroy it before it got too big (like MS did w…

I agree with you, and my views are also mixed - maybe this isn't the best example where the current solutions aren't that great.

But where do you draw the line? It's fine when all the available solutions aren't that great?

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by s73ver »

fixermark wrote: post #95
Jonnax wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well they give the chrome site to Safari on iPhone OS. So possibly but this is the company that is all about web standards, right? At least I'm sure that what someone working on Chromium/Chrome/Angular/etc would say.

Safari and Chrome are using the same basic webkit rendering engine with minimal mutations from each other. Firefox's engine is different and makes many different decisions with regards to implementation detail. Since the web standards rarely constrain things like, say, time to complete a reflow step in mutating a page when a DOM element has its visibility property changed, standards-compliant browsers can make differ…

However, I do think you'd be hard pressed to claim that Google does not have the resources to test and make sure that it does work on mobile Firefox.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by lostboys67 »

fixermark wrote: post #99
halite wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when coupled with search history. Why is this ok?

To better serve the user. "Based on your profile in Google Hire and your interest in SpaceX launches, you may be interested to know that a job opportunity is available: > NASA > Monte Carlo IV&V Analysis > Colcord, WV, [9] miles from your home, [15 minute] average commute time. (... the user has received this message because NASA has put out a job ad using hire and has specified that among the skillsets they're seeki…

:-) I and a mate (ex mi/comms) received on linkedin the same pitch to apply for the Security Service (MI5).

My Mate laughed it off and mentioned maybe if they didn't pay poverty wages.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by linkregister »

aabaker99 wrote: post #90
hellofunk wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and will replace Android as soon as a viable alternative is presented One alternative that's been around for a while you might like if you want to continue using smart mobile devices is an operating system made by Apple (not Google), called iOS (used to be called iPhone OS but it can now be used on tablets too even some music players like iPods have it). Just throwing that out there, they have a lot of similar feat…

The OP seems concerned about privacy. Apple certainly has a lot of PR activity promoting privacy of their products. But at the same time it seems so many websites, apps, companies, ISPs, etc. are hoping to track their users much more than before. Perhaps even sell profiles on their users to advertisers or other tech companies. Apple also seems to be a fairly secretive company. Their products have historically felt mo…

The OP can upgrade from iOS whenever the appropriately Free/Libre mobile operating system is viable.

iOS, despite being a very closed ecosystem, is much more privacy-conscious. In addition to being much more resistant to law enforcement and criminal adversaries, it submits far less information about the user to Apple by default.

To be fair to the Android team, almost all of the user tracking and advertisement targeting can be disabled in the system and account preferences. Sure, Google could disregard the user preferences, but that might open up liability for fraud.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by lostboys67 »

cavisne wrote: post #73

While the article says google doesn't want to compete with job boards... "Millions of job seekers start their search on Google every day. And with Hire, you get a career site that’s optimized for Google Search." I.e. You will get a site that will no doubt be right at the top of google jobs. The aggregation value of the job boards seems pretty minimal then if most candidates start on google anyway

So when does indeed get a google penalty
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