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#101

I don't want to share my exact rate, but I easily make a month what a Silicon Valley engineer at a seed startup can.. and since I live in a developing country it's an order of magnitude more than most people my age. If you're a brilliant engineer and are looking to work for a freelance app developer, I recommend Toptal[1]. While I now work at Toptal, I first joined the company through their freelance network, got a p…

Glad to know your story and I have been interested with trying them but haven't yet mustered the courage yet. Which languages/frameworks do you think are popular with the clients on Toptal. I am asking this because I am mostly interested in Java/Spring and I am not sure whether that would get me enough gigs? Should I move to Ruby/Rails, Python/Django, Javascript, etc?

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#102

I'm an Android and Ruby on Rails dev and I've been working as a freelance for a couple of years now. I am making quadruple the amount my peers are making in Eastern Europe while working less hours and remotely. Most clients I get is through networks such as Toptal, which I would wholeheartedly recommend. I'm also a member of Gigster, which I can't quite recommend at the moment, and there is CodeControl and Povio labs…

Just asked someone else this question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14795245. Maybe you could also give your perspectives on the same.

Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks a lot! I saw toptal mentioned in another comment, and their "Why 3%" page is quite unnerving. I don't work at Wharton, MIT, CERN, or Google, and I'm not a Top 100 Django or Rails contributor. Or is this just the 3% of the 3%, and the remaining 97% are more mortal?

Don't worry about that number. If you have ever passed a typical technical interview then I believe you can also get into Toptal.

Thanks, I'll take a closer look into those freelancer networks you mentioned, it looks quite interesting.

Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

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Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. You are working purely remote, I assume? I'd be curious to see how I'd fare in their screening process. Can you tell me roughly how many hours in total the screening process takes? (excluding the time you took to study) And how many hours did you spend on the live project? Was it an actual project, or just a dummy one? I'm asking because I'm working full time, and the whole s…

Yes, I work purely remotely. The screening process shouldn't be that tough. It's broken into multiple stages. The first three are short sessions. The longest of which was around (I think, don't hold me to it) an hour. The project is a confidential project you make according to specifications, but they give you enough time to pull it off, even with a full-time job.

Thanks! Maybe I'll give it a shot...

Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

#105

App freelancing (in the US) has been killed by cheap hourly rates thanks to globalization. As a client, why would I pay $100/h for a local Dev versus $10/h for a dev located in India or anywhere else where the cost of living is much lower? As a full time "app" developer I make $200K/y in the US. I tried freelancing on the side but it's pretty worthless. We're talking pennies by hour spent coding.

This is not at all my experience. Companies pay a premium for full fluency in American cultural and startup norms.

I have made well over $100/hr even with clients who I literally never met in person and sometimes even serviced from beaches in Asia.

Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

#106

In the UK (not in london) as a freelancer in Ruby on Rails I charge £40 / hr. For contract jobs (you basically work exactly like a permanent employee but get paid as a freelancer - so no job security or benefits and contracts usually last 3 months - 1 year at most) i was paid between £300-350 / day. In London it seems the same type of jobs usually pay £400-450.

How is the market for Rails outside London? I've seen a few comments that said it's hard to find work outside the capital.

Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

#107

I don't want to share my exact rate, but I easily make a month what a Silicon Valley engineer at a seed startup can.. and since I live in a developing country it's an order of magnitude more than most people my age. If you're a brilliant engineer and are looking to work for a freelance app developer, I recommend Toptal[1]. While I now work at Toptal, I first joined the company through their freelance network, got a p…

> You can choose your own rate, so you can go as low as $10, or go as crazy as, jeez, I dunno, $500.. although the higher you are, the more difficult it is to land a client.

I'm concerned about sites like Toptal and this price-cutting mindset they engender, because in a lot of cases, even 500 dollars is an awful rate.

For example, 500 dollars, for two weeks of full-time work, is $6.25 / Hr. If you are an American developer, this is an unconsiderably low rate, literally less than minimum wage, in a field where salaries of about $30 / Hr are unheard-of low, even for entry entry engineers.

If it is hard to land a client at these fair rates on services like TopTal, in a lot of cases this would be a good reason to avoid that service and to seek either more traditional work or independent freelance opportunities.

I also feel it's important for freelancers, at least if they're based in America, to defend the value of their work that demands months or years of technical training. Yes, I'd agree the entire situation changes if you're a developer from a different country in which being paid something like 10 dollars an hour could support a family. However, I still encourage you to recognize that because most of the clients are based in America, they are more than capable of paying you rates far higher than $500 for good work, but people must first reduce their willingness to work at $10 to make $500 a norm. Be the change you wish to see, if you are capable.

In the end, choosing to work for higher-paying clients and avoiding clients who don't care about paying a fair market rate is about life satisfaction. If you are being paid 10 dollars for technical development work which will take longer than an hour, they don't care about you or paying you fairly. This means you can expect to be treated like the slave their hourly rate implies you are. If you work for clients which pay you market rates, besides the fact that they're paying you more, they will treat you better simply because they respect your time.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From their website[1]: The Top 3% "Everyone at Toptal has a proven track record and elite industry experience. There are Toptalers from Wharton, MIT, CERN, and Google, as well as Django committers, Top 100 Rails contributors, leading global designers and art directors, professors, founders and more." Holy crap man I'm not even going to bother, I'm none of that. Impostor syndrome intesifies [1] https://www.toptal.com/…

Don't let that get to you, they have an intense screening process but after you pass it, that's just it. I'm 25, I have a degree in Economics and Finance, and no formal computer education. All I have is my self-taught experience. The first time I tried, for all my confidence, I flunked it really bad, which came as a shock to me. I mean, I knew I was good. The recruiter gave me a timeout and said I could reapply later…

Just curious but where are you based? From previous hacker news comments it sounds like toptal pays poorly for the U.S., ok for Western Europe, and really well for the rest of the world.

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#109
The site Codementor just did a survey of 5,000+ freelance app developers to see how much they made in different countries across the world.

The U.S., New Zealand and Australia had the highest average hourly rates at $70/hr, and Northern Africa had the lowest at $41/hr

Here's the full article: https://www.codementor.io/blog/how-much-do-freelance-develop...

Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

#110

I don't want to share my exact rate, but I easily make a month what a Silicon Valley engineer at a seed startup can.. and since I live in a developing country it's an order of magnitude more than most people my age. If you're a brilliant engineer and are looking to work for a freelance app developer, I recommend Toptal[1]. While I now work at Toptal, I first joined the company through their freelance network, got a p…

> You can choose your own rate, so you can go as low as $10, or go as crazy as, jeez, I dunno, $500.. although the higher you are, the more difficult it is to land a client. I'm concerned about sites like Toptal and this price-cutting mindset they engender, because in a lot of cases, even 500 dollars is an awful rate. For example, 500 dollars, for two weeks of full-time work, is $6.25 / Hr. If you are an American dev…

Oh no, I'm sorry, I probably didn't explain right.

Toptal let's you decide your hourly rate. $500/hour is awful in the sense that it's too darn high! :)

You're welcome to set whatever rate you think your time is worth, ofcourse!

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