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Order groceries delivered to your home, and work remotely?
Are you serious?
Just pointing out that it's feasible if you want to minimize transport related risk. Minimizing risk leads to a restricted life.
Two days in an underwater cave running out of oxygen
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> This has got to be the scariest video on Youtube in which no harm comes to anyone. Off topic, but here is a viable contender: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFMHjDqHL_Y There are videos of higher towers, but I believe that this video is the most thoroughly annotated one.
That's a real classic! A not as high, but way more reckless version is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUcxnvAeMc Guaranteed to induce acrophobia.
I really hope that guy practiced repressing the instinct to lunge at a bad throw when juggling. Extremely rare occurrence with such a simple pattern, but ooph!
I feel like any of Alex Honnold's ropeless climbs deserves a link too, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phl82D57P58
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What? This comment reads to me that you want a homogenous society... The people who do great things take big risks. Shit happens. This is a thread for startups, where many people eschew the "safe" corporate jobs in order to create or do something that many people don't think are possible. You're reading about an accident, and then assuming the amount of risk involved without knowing anything about the sport. Accident…
> you want a homogenous society Can you tell me what that means? > people who do great things take big risks Parents? With their lives? Can you describe such a scenario? > This is a thread for startups Is the risk involved in startups of the same impact to their children as their deaths? > then assuming the amount of risk involved Am I? Is this considered a safe pastime then? > and have a large safety margin, as has…
> Should we strive for an equal society? As such, shouldn't all children be born with equally (or minimally) committed parents?
I wasn't sure what you meant by "equal society," everyones different, the only way to get "equal" where all children have "equally" committed parents, would be quite homogenous.
The main point I think I'll reiterate, is that yes, you are assuming the amount of risk this person took. The amount of risk involved goes down the more you know about something. This person definitely knows more than you about the sport of cave diving, and can better judge the amount of risk involved. I think that's all I'm trying to say. You can do something that seems dangerous to outsiders, quite safely.
And I also think that lessons from one sport, or activity, apply to other areas of life.
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#164I might be speaking out of line, but taking on these kinds of risks with young children at home seems kind of selfish. The fact that he went back into the same cave that nearly killed him only a month later...almost as if to say: "I would rather my kids grow up without a Dad than live without my adrenaline fix" I am neither a father or a cave diver though, so I might be missing a piece of the puzzle. Would either gro…
Or maybe what he's saying is, "I would rather my kids learn that they should explore and enjoy the world, rather than never take any big risks." There are a lot of parents in the world. Once you start judging them (for actions other than abuse and neglect), you very quickly realize how limiting that is. Do we need to look down upon astronauts who have children? What about pilots? People who travel for work for days o…
It turns out there's lots of ways of exploring the world that don't put you in imminent danger.
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#165No one has mentioned the risk subjected upon the rescue team to come get him. So there's that.
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Or maybe what he's saying is, "I would rather my kids learn that they should explore and enjoy the world, rather than never take any big risks." There are a lot of parents in the world. Once you start judging them (for actions other than abuse and neglect), you very quickly realize how limiting that is. Do we need to look down upon astronauts who have children? What about pilots? People who travel for work for days o…
Given the choice of having a father at home or have one dead in cave but famous for exploring cool places I don't think it's hard to guess what most children would pick. > The good news is that once you become a father, you'll get to decide (possibly with a partner) what the acceptable level of risk is for you and your family. That's a obvious. What I think is being questioned is if they made a good decision. In othe…
> Given the choice of having a father at home or have one dead in cave but famous for exploring cool places I don't think it's hard to guess what most children would pick.
In all seriousness, I do have a hard time guessing which one most children would pick. I can see reasonable arguments made on either side. Personally, I think it would be far more inspiring to have a father who died pursuing his passion, then one who gave it up to stay at home.
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>> it seems quite a reasonable argument that, while you have a young child, you shouldn't actively go around risking your life -- they're your dependents > That's an argument for having life insurance; it's not necessarily an argument for not taking risks. Yeah, because fathers can be replaced with money and children wouldn't feel a thing.
That's a bit out of order. You clearly have a belief system which is risk adverse and that's fine but i find it a little judgemental on other people's family lives to be saying what's reasonable and not reasonable to do as a father.
"You clearly have a belief system which is risk adverse"
No, the poster you're responding to does not 'clearly' have that. That's your opinion, and nothing more.
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I think the complaint was that the parent had a young child, not merely a child. Without actually taking a stance on the topic, it seems quite a reasonable argument that, while you have a young child, you shouldn't actively go around risking your life -- they're your dependents, i.e. it's not just your life you're messing around with. When they stop being your dependents, do whatever you want, it's just your life now…
My brother did a fair amount of mountain climbing in his 20s, but stopped around the time he had kids. He specifically said "I don't want to go again until they're old enough to remember me." Done properly, the risks are limited, but they do exist no matter how careful you are. Now he's hit about that right time and I don't know if he even still has the desire. Age changes a lot of that. Still, it does seem like he m…
"It's amazing how much mature wisdom resembles being too tired." --Lazarus Long (i.e. Heinlein, though it's arguable if everything LL says is Heinlein speaking)
I'm not certain if this is an argument for or against, given how much I'm in the same "too tired" boat.
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#169I might be speaking out of line, but taking on these kinds of risks with young children at home seems kind of selfish. The fact that he went back into the same cave that nearly killed him only a month later...almost as if to say: "I would rather my kids grow up without a Dad than live without my adrenaline fix" I am neither a father or a cave diver though, so I might be missing a piece of the puzzle. Would either gro…
When you start to look at thrillseekers as addicts, it starts to make a lot more sense. It's just that to get high, they take risks instead of using drugs, but the personality and the lack of concern for others in the face of that addiction is more than just similar I believe.
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Re: Two days in an underwater cave running out of oxygen
#170I might be speaking out of line, but taking on these kinds of risks with young children at home seems kind of selfish. The fact that he went back into the same cave that nearly killed him only a month later...almost as if to say: "I would rather my kids grow up without a Dad than live without my adrenaline fix" I am neither a father or a cave diver though, so I might be missing a piece of the puzzle. Would either gro…
I lost my father at 15 to his work. He had a relatively dangerous job, made a mistake, and it killed him.
This was 4 years after I lost my mother doing something she was passionate about.
I can tell you in no uncertain terms that losing both parents before you turn 16 is no walk in the park. But I managed, I survived, and now work in a field that often touches both of the things that killed my parents and I have a bit of a desire to 'conquer' the things that took them.
I wish they both were here today, but I do not wish they hadn't done the things they had done. Even as a kid I held no ill will toward either of them. I'm glad my mother got to do what she wanted, and I wouldn't be where I am now if it weren't for my father's line of work.
I am not a biological father and I have gone cavern diving. While it's not okay to be reckless and disregard all safety, as a child of parents who passed doing unnecessarily dangerous things, I can say that I have never wished that they had not done those things that they wanted or felt necessary to do. I only wish that I had made better use of my time with them.