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Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

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Re: Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

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As I have said before with Amazon eating Whole Foods meal kit companies that are not currently ramen profitable are toast. Ramen profitable companies would have to learn how to grow out of their cash flow. No sane investor would be pumping money into them until they know what and how Amazon would be looking at this market. I think over next few years we would see a total implosion of meal-kit industry with the except…

> I think over next few years we would see a total implosion of meal-kit industry I don't think so. Meal kits are a niche business fighting against mass market competitors already so nothing changes with the Amazon entry. If anything having an established player like amazon advertising meal kits increases market awareness and gets people interested. No one is going to have a monopoly of the food business, ever. It ju…

Meal-kit companies of today think they would re-shape food industry and build global ( or at least national brands ). If the market was split between the meal-kits ( Plated, Blue Apron, HelloFresh, HomeChef etc etc etc ) then it is possible that one of them would have become something rather big or at least profitable.

Instead what we have now is Amazon not just eating Whole Foods but taking away the customers from the meal-kit industry by taking them back into Whole Foods. So it is Amazon's global logistics + Amazon ops + Whole Foods supply chain in food business + Wholefoods profitability v. upstart with at best a couple of warehouses, some engineers, and a dozens minimum wage paid workers assembling kits. The pie available for the upstarts just became much smaller.

For Whole Foods entering a national meal-kit business is a no brainer. It has the needed footprint that dwarfs their meal-kit competitors, it has the logistics of the supply chain and places to distribute the deliveries out of ( Whole Foods stores ) and it has a brand familiar with and trusted by the same people who are targets of the meal-kit offerings. Blue Apron simply won't be able to complete with 2-3 hour delivery from Whole Foods. Not to mention every single thing that one needs to create the most complicated Blue Apron recipe is available at pretty much every Whole Foods immediately. Oh, and Whole Foods is profitable already. Oh, and they can make even more money upcharging.

Who can compete with Whole Foods? Your neighborhood grocery store. Why? Detailed local knowledge means knowing exactly who buys what, who lives where and when they are home. Delivery windows of 15 minutes. Prices lower than the prices at Whole Foods.

[Late addition below:]

The other advantage that local grocery stores/small chains would have over the nation-wide chain is that being Ramen Profitable after all costs is a great result for a stable business not looking at expansion.

Re: Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

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Please Amazon, do something different about the huge amount of material waste generated by companies like Blue Apron and Hello Fresh. This is the main reason why I stopped using these services, the footprint is just disgusting: plastic bags inside aluminum+plastic bags inside cardboard boxes with more plastic. Please, invent some form of reusable container that can be easily stored and delivered back so we can stop t…

What's the resultant carbon footprint as a result of delivering these things back?

My guess is that the returning of the supplies could result in a lower carbon footprint. The whole delivery system is optimized for getting products from supplier to receiver, so there's a decent amount of unused capacity for getting items back into the delivery system. The "last mile" delivery trucks progress from full to near empty throughout the day and likely already pass or get super close to homes that could be returning packaging thus keeping the vehicle near capacity throughout the day. Once back into the delivery network the returning packaging should fill existing extra capacity especially as it get's closer to the supplier where they're already shipping out a much higher volume than they are receiving. Just a guess, but that's how I've rationalized it ;)

Re: Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

#53

As I have said before with Amazon eating Whole Foods meal kit companies that are not currently ramen profitable are toast. Ramen profitable companies would have to learn how to grow out of their cash flow. No sane investor would be pumping money into them until they know what and how Amazon would be looking at this market. I think over next few years we would see a total implosion of meal-kit industry with the except…

> I think over next few years we would see a total implosion of meal-kit industry I don't think so. Meal kits are a niche business fighting against mass market competitors already so nothing changes with the Amazon entry. If anything having an established player like amazon advertising meal kits increases market awareness and gets people interested. No one is going to have a monopoly of the food business, ever. It ju…

> No one is going to have a monopoly of the food business, ever. It just doesn't work that way.

http://imgur.com/pnMMj

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ConAgra_brands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yum!_Brands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JBS_S.A.

We aren't there yet, but the trend line is pretty clear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIcE4OvnqAY

Re: Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

#54
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Please Amazon, do something different about the huge amount of material waste generated by companies like Blue Apron and Hello Fresh. This is the main reason why I stopped using these services, the footprint is just disgusting: plastic bags inside aluminum+plastic bags inside cardboard boxes with more plastic. Please, invent some form of reusable container that can be easily stored and delivered back so we can stop t…

Amazon needs to do this with their regular shipments as well. They contain a lot of plastic insulation (air bags). Instead of throwing mine away, I've been saving it until it fills up a closet then I give it to a local UPS store to reuse. My closet fills up in about a month. It would be nice if Amazon had a formal program for this since you can't recycle them with your garbage company.

That's nice, I was not aware that UPS would take them. My local grocery store have a program for plastic bags, but reusing them is of course much more efficient.

Re: Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It signals Amazon's entry into the market.

But no actual impact to Blue Apron, other then a 500lb gorilla wanting your lunch?

Amazon is in a much better position to win the market, and investors recognize that.

Amazon has a logistics network capable of doing same-day delivery at lower-than-Blue-Apron's costs. Amazon will ship locally rather than cross-country using dry ice. Purchasing ingredients in Whole Foods' massive quantities will lower costs further. Coupling that with their huge warchest, Amazon can crush Blue Apron by offering a competing service at far below cost for years.

If Amazon plays this as aggressively as they did eCommerce, I don't see any way for Blue Apron to win on their own.

Re: Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

#57
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A meal kit from Amazon sounds gross.

I think that's a fair statement, in that as an example here is literally a meal kit from Amazon: http://a.co/1oWOQcG

But branding goes a long way, and they'll undoubtedly position this differently than the above.

Re: Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the resultant carbon footprint as a result of delivering these things back?

My guess is that the returning of the supplies could result in a lower carbon footprint. The whole delivery system is optimized for getting products from supplier to receiver, so there's a decent amount of unused capacity for getting items back into the delivery system. The "last mile" delivery trucks progress from full to near empty throughout the day and likely already pass or get super close to homes that could be…

Or just have a collection compactor at WF. Easy peasy, and all squashed for easy transport.

Plus now recycling minded folks are likely to go by WF more frequently.

Re: Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

#59
post #19

Please Amazon, do something different about the huge amount of material waste generated by companies like Blue Apron and Hello Fresh. This is the main reason why I stopped using these services, the footprint is just disgusting: plastic bags inside aluminum+plastic bags inside cardboard boxes with more plastic. Please, invent some form of reusable container that can be easily stored and delivered back so we can stop t…

> plastic bags inside aluminum+plastic bags inside cardboard boxes with more plastic.

All recyclable, what's the problem here?

> Please, invent some form of reusable container that can be easily stored and delivered back so we can stop trashing the Earth.

So is the real issue that you're concerned with reducing waste (recyclable at that!) that's visible to you, consequences be damned? Because I'm not so sure shipping back an empty food container is better for the earth than recycling it.

Re: Blue Apron Plummets After Amazon Files for Meal-Kit Trademark

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post #42
post #19

Please Amazon, do something different about the huge amount of material waste generated by companies like Blue Apron and Hello Fresh. This is the main reason why I stopped using these services, the footprint is just disgusting: plastic bags inside aluminum+plastic bags inside cardboard boxes with more plastic. Please, invent some form of reusable container that can be easily stored and delivered back so we can stop t…

What's the resultant carbon footprint as a result of delivering these things back?

They could try to do both things (delivering new packages and taking back containers) at the same time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkman

http://pocketcultures.com/2012/01/25/argentinean-customs-hav...

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