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Re: The Decline of Marriage

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Post by mercutio2 » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 6:00 AM UTC

defen wrote: post #109

mercutio2 wrote: post #107

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I don’t see a lot of irony here. Yes, cultures which want to preserve their ethnic makeup are racist. I think they’re wrong and won’t support that aspect of a culture spreading around me if I can help it. That I support certain enlightenment era egalitarian values doesn’t in any way diminish my ability to speak up for cultural diversity that doesn’t rely on ethnic identity. You seem to be implying that all cultures m…

I'm not asking you to accept any aspects of any culture spreading around you - I'm asking whether you believe every culture must eventually subscribe to Anglo-American universalism? In concrete terms, do you think Japan would become a better place if it had fewer Japanese people and more non-Japanese? This isn't a question about Japan's so-called population problem - keep the population the same but make it have fewe…

Yes, I think Japan would be a better place if they let more non-ethnically Japanese people live there.

Re: The Decline of Marriage

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Post by watwut » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 6:39 AM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #101

watwut wrote: post #99

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Sure there are and there are plenty of sexist liberals. But, conservative catholics are quite open about women "wanting to be men" when they are attempting to be effective, no liberal talked with straight face about men being head of familly, lectures about husbands being expected to manly hit the table with fist to get his way, and women not being real women if she states openly what she wants (you are supposed to g…

In 40 years of connection to Catholic culture including 12 years of Catholic schooling I have never once heard any voice from the church --- including the laity --- talking about women "wanting to be men". I did, however, spent middle and high school having the notion of gender equality in the workplace inculcated to me by priests, nuns, and lay teachers.

Glad to hear that not everywhere are catholics as conservative as here. I heard/read that one multiple times. Then they got offended when someone called them sexist.

Re: The Decline of Marriage

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Post by paulryanrogers » Sun, Jul 16, 2017, 3:17 PM UTC

abfan1127 wrote: post #51

pavel_lishin wrote: post #34

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> We don't ever plan to get married because I don't like the government telling me what to do What about the government telling other people what to do about your relationship? If one of you were seriously hurt, would the hospital accept the other's instructions as a medical or legal proxy, etc?

I have power of attorney over my dad, in the event a decisions needs to be made.

Did you mean to say "over to"?

If so then what happens when your father is gone?

Re: The Decline of Marriage

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Post by gorkonsine » Mon, Jul 17, 2017, 2:39 PM UTC

remarkEon wrote: post #104

gorkonsine wrote: post #93

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No, not always. There were matriarchal societies in ancient times where women had multiple partners. You're looking at thing through the lens of western history. Besides, what does it matter? We're talking about the future here, not the past. Contraceptive technology isn't going away.

>You're looking at thing through the lens of western history. So? As you said, "What does it matter?" Those societies didn't survive. I don't really get how to treat the quip "you're looking at thi[s] through the lens of western history", other than as an attempt do disqualify what's literal fact by saying that it was observed by "westerners." >Besides, what does it matter? We're talking about the future here, not th…

To claim that those societies didn't survive solely because they weren't monogamous, patriarchal societies is either profoundly ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Societies don't survive for many different reasons, usually become some other foreign society with natural advantages (due to their geography) outcompete or conquer them. Go read "guns, germs, and steel".

>"It matters" because, like it or not, evolutionary biology is a thing

You're missing the point that contraceptive technology is here now, and not going away, so what may have worked in the past is no longer applicable because of this. Contraception changes everything.