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Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by marksomnian »

sk0g wrote: post #99
empath75 wrote: post #96

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If you publish it. If you just sit on it, you don't. (At least not in the sense that you can get away with suing someone that publishes the same rift later)

What would publish imply? Would putting it on a private Google Drive work? What about a Drive that's searchable and anyone can have a listen, if they so desired?

I'd guess that standard would be set by a court case, unless there already has been one like this (in which case please enlighten me). In general, with vagueness like this, a court usually has the final say.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by cs2818 »

milankragujevic wrote: post #53
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #47

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While this is clearly abusing intent behind the "unlimited" sales pitch, I still do not think it's in violation of it. There's also most likely more than just this guy owning copy of the files from SoundCloud, so once Google has copy of them all they can just cache it for the rest of the people. I.e. you don't need unique files for every user who has some file, instead you can just give out the one to anyone who requ…

Yeah, except people on DataHoarder encrypt their files so that the providers can't store one copy per unique file but have to store one copy per one file in any user's account.

I always encrypt because I worry an automated copyright scan will be the end of my account. If there was a policy that assured my non-shared files wouldn't be subject to these scans I would happily store content unencrypted.

For reference, I don't store pirated content, rather content that I have a license for, but cloud providers have no way of knowing that. Unfortunately the dispute processes are unreliable, so when it's time to backup a media project, I play it safe and encrypt.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by rakoo »

StavrosK wrote: post #4

Hmm, I've been playing with IPFS lately, and just had an idea: Since IPFS is perfect for archival, Archiveteam could put their files on IPFS, and users could help out by pinning stuff on their local nodes. For example, I could ask their website to give me a 10 GB list of files to pin (if I wanted to "donate" 10 GB to them), and I'd keep them available. The only problem is that I don't know whether IPFS has any way to…

Archiveteam has discussed about backing up the Internet Archive a long time ago in their project called INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK (http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK). They decided to go with git-annex because its creator was a cofounder of the ArchiveTeam and was willing to work with that project, who is still waiting for IPFS's proposal on how to do this (http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK/i...).

You can participate in the effort of course. Have a few hundreds of GB and a good connection ? Head over to http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK/g... and follow the steps !

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by syshum »

OzzyB wrote: post #91
syshum wrote: post #44

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And this is how Google Drive Unlimited becomes Google Drive Limited... Like every other Unlimited service, because people like this abuse the shit out of it then when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"

It's okay, for everyone one like this, there's 1000's like me that pay for the service and use a fraction of it. Think of it as we are all contributing to keeping this data safe and available.

That is what they said about Amazon Cloud Drive and every other Unlimited service that came before it right up to the day the Unlimited Service died

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by syshum »

jackvalentine wrote: post #51
syshum wrote: post #44

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And this is how Google Drive Unlimited becomes Google Drive Limited... Like every other Unlimited service, because people like this abuse the shit out of it then when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"

> when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited" Well... yeah? If you let people advertise 'unlimited' but they can't actually deliver, you end up with a kind of market for lemons situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons

Except for the fact that when Google, Amazon and the rest talk about "unlimited" they are referring to unlimited PERSONAL storage of data you create as a person, this would include backups of your personal computer, photos, important documents,etc

Not backing up SoundCloud or the entire Internet for $5 a month

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by syshum »

rnhmjoj wrote: post #70
syshum wrote: post #44

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And this is how Google Drive Unlimited becomes Google Drive Limited... Like every other Unlimited service, because people like this abuse the shit out of it then when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"

Well, companies should think twice before selling unlimited plans. Maybe set a really high cap that's enough to cover 90% of the users but unlimited means unlimited.

Except for the fact that when Google, Amazon and the rest talk about "unlimited" they are referring to unlimited PERSONAL storage of data you create as a person, this would include backups of your personal computer, photos, important documents,etc

Not backing up SoundCloud or the entire Internet for $5 a month

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by syshum »

SeanDav wrote: post #79
syshum wrote: post #44

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And this is how Google Drive Unlimited becomes Google Drive Limited... Like every other Unlimited service, because people like this abuse the shit out of it then when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"

A car company says: "You can have any colour car you want as long as it is black..." I am sure there will be people defending the car company as really offering unlimited colours, but obviously they have to restrict it to black, because some clients were unreasonable to expect the company to paint their car Neon Vermilion. Or to put it another way, "You can have unlimited storage, except that it is limited..."

Nothing is unlimited, it does not exist.

Unlimited is a marketing term used to express simply to the consumer there are not overall limits placed on your storage provided you adhere to the rest of the terms of service.

In the context of data cloud data stroage when Google, Amazon and the rest talk about "unlimited" they are referring to unlimited PERSONAL storage of data you create as a person, this would include backups of your personal computer, photos, important documents,etc

Not backing up SoundCloud or the entire Internet for $5 a month

So if you are a amateur photographer then storing 10TB of photos you took on the service is acceptable, downloading 900TB of music files you do not own, you did no create and have no permission to "as a backup" because the service is going to go under is abuse.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by nske »

xenophonf wrote: post #97
diggan wrote: post #78

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Interested in understanding why you think it's not suitable for digital preservation? Feels like something that uses content-addressing and a P2P network is perfect for digital preservation.

In a P2P network the availability/integrity of the archived material depends on storage nodes not under the direct control of the archivist. I might trust a P2P network for content re-distribution, but I wouldn't trust it for long term storage.

You don't have to; If you would be hosting the archived material yourself anyway, there is no negative I can see in doing it through a P2P network. Long-term storage could still depend on you and any other users helping with any of the content for any amount of time would just be a bonus.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by mynewtb »

syshum wrote: post #106
jackvalentine wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited" Well... yeah? If you let people advertise 'unlimited' but they can't actually deliver, you end up with a kind of market for lemons situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons

Except for the fact that when Google, Amazon and the rest talk about "unlimited" they are referring to unlimited PERSONAL storage of data you create as a person, this would include backups of your personal computer, photos, important documents,etc Not backing up SoundCloud or the entire Internet for $5 a month

I would love to have my own personal backup of SoundCloud. It's like having a huge library at home, only not limited by physical space.
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