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Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by imartin2k »

jacquesm wrote: post #29
imartin2k wrote: post #10

I hadn't heard of Archiveteam before, but the fact that HN brings their site down doesn't make me too confident in their backing up skills :)

HN can direct more traffic than you think, and it can do so very quickly. AT's backing up skills are fine, and if you've managed to be on HN for nearly 5 years without hearing about them then that does not make me too confident about your reading skills :)

fair point :) for me it's more this "first impression thing".

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by chipperyman573 »

imartin2k wrote: post #10

I hadn't heard of Archiveteam before, but the fact that HN brings their site down doesn't make me too confident in their backing up skills :)

Backing up data then storing it to be infrequently read and handing a major spike of traffic are two very different things.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by manigandham »

probably_wrong wrote: post #16

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that Archiveteam are actually detrimental (in the long run) to the well-being of the Internet. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work they do, and without them lots of content would simply disappear. But solving this problem should be at the core of the protocol itself (Xanadu, anyone?[1]), not depending on the resources and goodwill of a single team. Just like…

If/until the foundation is better, how does archiving hurt anything today?

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by jacquesm »

ipsum2 wrote: post #13

I'm interested in people's opinions on the legality of this. They mention "Archive Team considers the SoundCloud service in danger and, as it hosts a lot of original content, finds it important to prepare to save it selectively (a full grab would be too big and would raise concerns of mass copyright infringement).", but how is downloading any portion of artist's music not copyright infringement? I've written my own S…

> but how is downloading any portion of artist's music not copyright infringement?

I had the same issue with backing up Geocities when it went down. I figured better safe than sorry, established a very easy deletion procedure for the copyright holders and have received only a very small number of nastygrams compared to an absolutely enormous number of messages from people that were happy their content got saved.

So at a guess, yes it is copyright infringement, no, it will not lead to trouble because most people are able to recognize a good faith effort when they see it.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by evook »

ipsum2 wrote: post #37
rnhmjoj wrote: post #31

Someone has already backed it up: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/6n1pap/soundcl...

This seems a bit ridiculous. 900TB costs $22000 in hard drives (assuming $100/4TB HDD), without any redundancy. I wonder what their storage solution is like.

Almost certainly Google Drive unlimited.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by manigandham »

ipsum2 wrote: post #37
rnhmjoj wrote: post #31

Someone has already backed it up: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/6n1pap/soundcl...

This seems a bit ridiculous. 900TB costs $22000 in hard drives (assuming $100/4TB HDD), without any redundancy. I wonder what their storage solution is like.

they're using google drive

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by icebraining »

sk0g wrote: post #17
ipsum2 wrote: post #13

I'm interested in people's opinions on the legality of this. They mention "Archive Team considers the SoundCloud service in danger and, as it hosts a lot of original content, finds it important to prepare to save it selectively (a full grab would be too big and would raise concerns of mass copyright infringement).", but how is downloading any portion of artist's music not copyright infringement? I've written my own S…

Maybe they're only pulling either indie stuff with no copyright, or the rarer stuff that they're less likely to get in trouble over.

indie stuff with no copyright

There's no such thing, copyright is automatic, it applies as soon as the author puts the work in some tangible medium (like an hard drive).

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