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As opioid overdoses exact a higher price, communities ponder who should be saved

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Re: As opioid overdoses exact a higher price, communities ponder who should be saved

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Ugh. That is sickening. Since it seems like you have some expertise in the area, is this antipattern actually codified In regulations, or more of a de-facto/status quo thing?

> is this antipattern actually codified In regulations, or more of a de-facto/status quo thing? A lot of drug purchasing things are codified. For example, Medicare is banned from negotiating drug pricing with manufactures. So even though they're buying billions of dollars worth of drugs in bulk, they're literally paying the retail price, which is just whatever the Pharma companies ask for. In terms of why they're buy…

Medicare does negotiate on drugs, just not in a direct way.

For injected drugs, Medicare pays no more than the average price that private insurers pay. They basically piggy back on the deals. If you look at heavily discounted drugs, Medicare is paying no where close to list price.

For peals, Medicare doesn't negotiate because they buy them. Private insurers adjudicate all claims and they certainly do negotiate drug prices. Those lower prices get passed to consumers who purchase their plans.

And this doesn't even include the 340B discount which is mandatory.

Medicare doesn't negotiate, it creates laws that lower it's drug costs.

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Not sure why you differentiate, patents are regulations too.

Patents are intellectual property rights established by law. Congress passes laws giving the executive branch the right and responsibility to create regulations but much of the content of those regulations are not dictated by law.

The patents didn't exist until the federal patent office approved them, in the same mechanical structure a regulatory agency approves a regulation. It is still on the authority of the executive to approve a patent or not.

Re: As opioid overdoses exact a higher price, communities ponder who should be saved

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Threaten to nationalize manufacturing of Naloxone, then do it if prices aren't brought down. If there's an epidemic and private manufacturers can't respond to the demand without raising prices by a factor of 10, something needs to be done. Annual overdose deaths have doubled over the last ten years. To bring a certain brand of hyperbole to the table, 2016 saw a loss of life equivalent to about thirty times that of 9/…

Threaten to nationalize manufacturing of Naloxone, then do it if prices aren't brought down.

That should do wonders for R&D investment in the US!!

Re: As opioid overdoses exact a higher price, communities ponder who should be saved

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Ugh. That is sickening. Since it seems like you have some expertise in the area, is this antipattern actually codified In regulations, or more of a de-facto/status quo thing?

A similar thing happened in Washington (but seems to be on the way out), that all ambulances were mandated to carry EpiPens. Not epinephrine, but an EpiPen. Even those that carry vials and syringes.

This absolutely blows my mind, the whole point of an epi-pen is it can be self-administered - what is the point of making paramedics have one in their vehicle when they've already got vials of epinephrine and syringes (and can be used for a lot more than anaphylaxis).

Re: As opioid overdoses exact a higher price, communities ponder who should be saved

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Threaten to nationalize manufacturing of Naloxone, then do it if prices aren't brought down. If there's an epidemic and private manufacturers can't respond to the demand without raising prices by a factor of 10, something needs to be done. Annual overdose deaths have doubled over the last ten years. To bring a certain brand of hyperbole to the table, 2016 saw a loss of life equivalent to about thirty times that of 9/…

The Naloxone patent expired in the 80s. There is not some grand complication to its production - there are plenty of generic drug manufacturers who could be making Naloxone for $5 a bottle.

It seems obvious this is more a case of regulations mandating the use of brand name Naloxone by a specific company, thus eliminating any free market competition in the prices since only one entity can provide Naloxone to EMTs by law.

And, naturally, the politicians that signed such a law to mandate one singular company provide all of a specific drug probably got sizable benefits from said drug company for doing so.

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Ugh. That is sickening. Since it seems like you have some expertise in the area, is this antipattern actually codified In regulations, or more of a de-facto/status quo thing?

> is this antipattern actually codified In regulations, or more of a de-facto/status quo thing? A lot of drug purchasing things are codified. For example, Medicare is banned from negotiating drug pricing with manufactures. So even though they're buying billions of dollars worth of drugs in bulk, they're literally paying the retail price, which is just whatever the Pharma companies ask for. In terms of why they're buy…

"Medicare is banned from negotiating drug pricing with manufactures."

Where can I read more about this? I've heard the exact opposite.

Re: As opioid overdoses exact a higher price, communities ponder who should be saved

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(this article can be read by searching for the title on http://twitter.com/ , then opening the link in a private window) > Two doses of an injectable form of naloxone, Evzio, cost $4,500, up from $690 in 2014. The price of other forms of the drug, including the nasally administered Narcan, typically range from $70 to $150 per dose, officials say. The cost of naloxone [1] is an insignificant part of the cost of revivi…

Alternate access: https://outline.com/R36DZt

NB: I have no association with outline.com, nor do I even know who's running this, though if anyone has information on that, I'd like to know.

It is ... staggeringly useful.

Re: As opioid overdoses exact a higher price, communities ponder who should be saved

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post #63

Threaten to nationalize manufacturing of Naloxone, then do it if prices aren't brought down. If there's an epidemic and private manufacturers can't respond to the demand without raising prices by a factor of 10, something needs to be done. Annual overdose deaths have doubled over the last ten years. To bring a certain brand of hyperbole to the table, 2016 saw a loss of life equivalent to about thirty times that of 9/…

Threaten to nationalize manufacturing of Naloxone, then do it if prices aren't brought down. That should do wonders for R&D investment in the US!!

The majority of useful drug R&D (ie, not more penis enlargement pills) comes from research grants and university labs, not from private drug companies. It is a great meme Big Pharma has spread as a means to protect their lavish profit structure.

The US leads in pharma research because it has the best research universities, not because it has private drug companies and no universal healthcare.

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post #48

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It's IMO more likely than most people think. I really hope we don't see a civil war in our lifetime, but historically democracy's are highly unstable. This time it might be different, but then again it might not.

A Civil War today would look like Afghanistan or Iraq, not like the one we had before. It won't be pretty and will probably end in authoritarianism the likes we've never seen.

A civil war in a nuclear armed country could be considerable worse than that. Just consider what would happen if a faction of the army with control over nuclear weaponry took a non-neutral stance...
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