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why in the world is everyone so keen on entering the messaging app space? what the hell is the value for all of these companies? is conversation data that useful for training deep nets or something?
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Amazon echo is their attempt at a smart phone without a screen.
That's not how anyone should look at a smart speakers because it's fundamentally flawed. A smart phone is a very intimate and personal device. A smart speaker is the exact opposite of that. It needs to be easily multiuser out of the box. The Echo worked because it was user oblivious but the new communication features break that model and are decidedly user specific and functionally retarded.
Amazon Echo is pretty good, but it's biggest most annoying flaw is the way it handles multiple users as if they are one.
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What they are good at is trying a shit ton of ideas and then optimizing and doubling down on the winners. If they just "stuck to what they are good at" they would still be a small online bookstore.
The issue is that they are slipping on things they used to be good at. They are a lousy bookstore now and even the general retail experience has seriously regressed.
why in the world is everyone so keen on entering the messaging app space? what the hell is the value for all of these companies? is conversation data that useful for training deep nets or something?
why in the world is everyone so keen on entering the messaging app space? what the hell is the value for all of these companies? is conversation data that useful for training deep nets or something?
The Enterprise space is quite competetive in messaging space. Microsoft is the clear winner so far, followed closely by Google.
why in the world is everyone so keen on entering the messaging app space? what the hell is the value for all of these companies? is conversation data that useful for training deep nets or something?
Many applications are really messaging apps underneath, even when it's less obvious (see many multi-player, non-realtime, games; and some realtime ones). They already possess the infrastructure for all of this. The next thing to do for these companies is keep people inside their environment longer so that they spend money within that environment. An Amazon messaging service principally gives you, well, chat with othe…
why in the world is everyone so keen on entering the messaging app space? what the hell is the value for all of these companies? is conversation data that useful for training deep nets or something?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/417780/mobile-messenger-...
why in the world is everyone so keen on entering the messaging app space? what the hell is the value for all of these companies? is conversation data that useful for training deep nets or something?
The Enterprise space is quite competetive in messaging space. Microsoft is the clear winner so far, followed closely by Google.
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There was a time aol, yahoo and msn were made to play nice and interop, will that soon be the case with these new messaging platforms?
As I recall, that was a very brief period and then they all went their own ways again with an arms race to prevent people from connecting to their networks without the official clients. Google used XMPP initially with Google Talk, but then turned off federation (was it ever on? I recall it was, but that was a long time ago). We've had greater than a decade now of poor interop between messaging platforms. This is unli…
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In my view, messaging is the best example of how bloat over time kills apps. Nobody actively wants to switch messaging apps, but with numerous apps that have come and gone throughout the years - from icq to msn messenger to yahoo messenger to Skype to WhatsApp to kik to Line, often enough it's that the app itself gets bloated to the point where the fundamental messaging capability becomes secondary and folks move awa…
WeChat is the perfect counterexample here, and I think it speaks to why a company like Amazon would love to "own the bloat." For western markets, if Apple or Facebook is equivalent to WeChat with their pervasive messaging platforms, and Amazon is the equivalent of Alibaba, then the war between them alluded to in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeChat#WeChat_Pay_payment_serv... tells you all you need to know about why t…
When web-based giants successfully developed and implemented private clouds they served as an aspirational beacon for CIOs to transform their internal technology roadmaps. CxO teams are now greedily eyeing the WeChat experience and saying to themselves "we can do that too!" in a similar manner.
By the way, this type of thinking isn't confined to corporate executives -- WeChat is so appallingly all-encompassing that even pure decentralized plays (e.g. Urbit) use WeChat as a concrete instantiation of the type of end-user-experience to strive for, albeit in more user- and freedom- friendly manners.