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Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by vultour »

AlphaWeaver wrote: post #60
xepbam57 wrote: post #50

Have anybody thought why you hear the sound(beeeep-beeeeep-....) when you make a call and from where it comes? Yes, telco can put anything there. Even more, I wounder why we do not hear some commercial Ad's every time we call. This would be in a spirit of current times...

Indeed! Verizon, a carrier in the US, actually made a product out of this by allowing people to buy what they branded "Ringback Tones" which would play some song or tune when someone called your number and you hadn't picked up yet. Not sure if it's still a thing.

They do this pretty much everywhere.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by jwilk »

noncoml wrote: post #45

I wonder how would things have been if Turket had been accepted to EU 10 years ago. Would it have helped?

EU isn't very effective in stopping Hungary's or Poland's authoritarian descent. I doubt it would be effective against Turkey.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by diminish »

sesqu wrote: post #101
buremba wrote: post #72

Even if you stop watching TV, reading newspapers and following the political people on social media and avoid discussing political news with people, you can't escape from him and his followers. They will force you to believe what they believe and if you don't, they will flag you and also make you listen their leader no matter what you do to avoid their propaganda. Even though I believe that the leaders of Gulenist gr…

> Gulenist group did the coup attempt Has the government provided convincing evidence of this? I know Gülen was immediately accused despite not being in the country, but I don't know of any evidence of his audience being involved beyond Erdoğan not getting along with the guy, which automatically makes any opposition sympathetic to him.

Actually there's no doubt that Gulenist islamists staged the coup and they are like those private label grocery brands - never do anything on their own name. Their US-based cleric has embedded thousands of Shakirts(students) well organized in police, army, juridical system. Indeed till last few years, Gulenists were the love of Erdogan, a lot of governments, politicians and public, liberals. Now only left with some support in Washington, as they lack clear motto, ideology and have close to zero public support.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by diminish »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #121

It's funny to see that Erdogan wants to battle every European country and at the same time he asks us to visit Turkey. His power comes from the wealth and investments of Western companies, so the people had it good in the past. But this is currently changing. Its 'just' a waiting game.

> His power comes from the wealth and investments of Western companies,

That's not true - though wished for.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by diminish »

ai_ja_nai wrote: post #114
exabrial wrote: post #34

Why are they a NATO country again

Because of EU influence: Turkey acts like a bottle cap to seal the wave of refugees coming from ISIS war. That's why they are tolerated. EU gave Turkey a lot of money to keep the refugees, fleeing from Middle East wars, away from entering en masse in Europe.

>> EU gave Turkey a lot of money to keep

Funny enough, EU agreed as part of the refugee deal, but didn't pay the money promised.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by diminish »

BjoernKW wrote: post #123
aytekin wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is why: Half of the population wants to be part of the Western world. They believe in secularity and many other Western ideals. That's how Turkey became a close ally to US, part of NATO and almost became part of EU. Because this half had the control and the other half previously mostly lived in villages and wasn't interested in power. Then, as they moved to cities and as they became influential, the other half o…

> Expect West to kick out Turkey from NATO or Turkey to leave NATO soon since the islamists see west as evil. I don't think so. Unfortunately, ethics often play a less than significant role in international affairs like this. Just look at the dealings the Western world and the US in particular have with a backwards, medieval state like Saudi-Arabia that more or less openly supports Islamic extremism. Turkey is a stra…

Clearly, NATO has nothing to do with values as opposed to maybe EU, (that's also disputable). GP's naive assumption of "believing in secularity and many other Western ideal" is kind of a post-cold war, remain in the minds of a lot of Turkish elite to join the EU. But apparently that won't happen any time soon, or maybe never.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by SyneRyder »

JadeNB wrote: post #91
acjohnson55 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird, kinda like the US.

> Weird, kinda like the US. Which part of aytekin ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14780685 ) 's message reminds you of the US? Whatever else one may say of the current state of US politics, this: > the other half of the population took over the country and started applying middle eastern and Islamic ideals instead. … the islamists see west as evil. doesn't sound like it. (To be fair, I didn't quote: > They bel…

Which part of aytekin's message reminds you of the US?

For me, it was the notion of those in villages / rural areas having increasing interest in power, as they feel increasingly abandoned & their values ignored. It reminded me of the US Midwest becoming more interested in politics, leading to Trump's win over Clinton:

“You saw turnout spike in more rural counties,” Alexander said. “If you take a look at a lot of the larger cities you did see depressed turnout there. [1]

Microsoft made a similar observation when announcing their rural high speed wireless internet intiative:

"That message was underscored in last year's presidential election, when rural voters expressed dissatisfaction and anger over being left out of economic and technological growth, Microsoft President and Chief Legal Officer Brad Smith said. "It's fair to say the election raised our level of consciousness, as it did for a great many people in the country."" [2]

[1] http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/voter-turnout-2016-elect...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-11/microsoft...

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by diminish »

misja111 wrote: post #96
exabrial wrote: post #34

Why are they a NATO country again

Since when has it been a requirement that NATO partners are true democracies? Both Greece and Portugal have been dictatorships and NATO members at the same time.

Well said - people confuse NATO with "values" as II. Bush had a similar rhetoric. It's all about mitigating risks - and geography matters.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by diminish »

kbody wrote: post #19

"As president, I send congratulations on the July 15 National Day of Democracy and Unity and wish the martyrs mercy and the heroes (of the defeat of the coup) health and wellbeing," Source: https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/36394050/mr-president-erdo...

Actually I m glad I don't make too many phone calls, (who's using their smartphones for making calls) but this type of "call injection" may annoy similar to Ads-gone-insane recently on the web. That happens because after the Gulen Islamists' coup d'Etat faction killed around 250 civilians and wounded 2500 civilians(mostly ) last year during the coup attempt - the voters for the main party feel too emotional during the anniversary of the event. Ironically AKP voters had sympathy for US based cleric Gulen who calls himself the Imam of the Universe and embedded thousands of his sect members in police, army etc in past 40 years especially accelerating in the past 15 years.

I guess and hope in a couple of years - things will be normalized.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by [deleted] »

sk0g wrote: post #85
gonvaled wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? You can opt out by not watching TV, as you can opt out in Turkey by not calling. What's the difference?

Are you serious? Lots of people barely watch TV, and this was in ONE time slot. And you're saying you can opt out of calling? Don't you have friends, bosses, colleagues, etc you have to call?

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