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Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent

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Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent

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That's something I got from my dad as well - dress for the job you want,not the one you have. I also found that dressing well fixes at least some of the age discrimination you face as a young person, you get treated much better while wearing a suit and a tie than when just wearing a t-shirt or a plain shirt.

So if you want a job at google but work at a bank, wear Hawaiian shirts and shorts? Also, over dressing can be as much of a problem as underdressing. If you came to a def interview at say Facebook in a suit, it could get awkward.

Aim for the middle.

Black pants, white shirts. Works everywhere.

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Hmm.. that's a good point actually with a slight rebuttal: The suit wearer also has a closet full of casual clothes The casual wearer will not have a line of suits - thus his freak out What is the payscale between the both vs type of work and hours? Would be great to get a map of all this

What is the payscale between the both vs type of work A hoodie-wearer at FB or Apple probably out-earns the majority of suit-wearers at Goldman - it is definitely not about money, just about attitude.

>>> A hoodie-wearer at FB or Apple probably out-earns the majority of suit-wearers at Goldman - it is definitely not about money, just about attitude.

Sorry but it's highly unlikely.

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Funny must be an American thing I bet in many of the clubs in London not wearing cufflinks would almost be as bad as wearing brown shoes in town.

> brown shoes in town What's the story here? All I know about dress shoes is that they're hideously uncomfortable and generally not blue suede.

As for dress shoes being hideously uncomfortable, that's really a matter of fit and quality. For years, I walked several miles per day in NYC in leather-soled dress shoes and they were perfectly comfortable. Now I kinda' regret that I wear a pair of running shoes to my tech job and all my nice dress shoes are gathering dust in my closet.

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> white dress shirt It would seem that as an American you refer to a white shirt - but what do you term that which I (as a Briton) would call a dress shirt? (Worn with evening, or the most formal of morning attire. That is, with your -ahem- tuxedo !)

I think you mean "mourning"?

No, but that is one of the few occasions on which morning suits ([morning] tailcoat and usually pinstriped trousers) still see some use!

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For engineers it almost always does, unless you are the top .001% of talent.

In London at least this was not the case. Startup salaries today are often at the same level as bank internships. The US (particularly SF) is a very different market.

SF has no finance companies.

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> white dress shirt It would seem that as an American you refer to a white shirt - but what do you term that which I (as a Briton) would call a dress shirt? (Worn with evening, or the most formal of morning attire. That is, with your -ahem- tuxedo !)

Formal shirt, I think.

That makes sense, thanks.

I've been searching around (self-proclaimed) 'all American' clothing sites - it seems 'shirt' -> 'dress shirt', and 't-shirt' -> 'shirt'.

I suppose it makes sense that as a new garment starts to dominate it adopts the shorter name - I haven't really noticed it over here though, except with polo shirts, but even there I'd say the more common contraction is 'polo'.

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What is your view (or anyone else reading this) on software dev QoL in the tech industry vs. non-tech firms in finance or energy/O&G? Are tech companies open to hiring from different industries, like the ones listed above?

I honestly think finance is overall a worse deal, I used to think it was the panacea of making money. There is the chance that you can make 600 - 800k in finance as a senior developer, but you need to either be incredibly intelligent or incredibly hard working, generally you need an ivy league degree. A year or so ago I received an offer from a well known quant hedge fund, I spoke to a google recruiter to see if they…

That recruiter must have been pretty inexperienced to talk like that.

You should seriously question your compensation if a recruiter is willing to top you up 50k without a second thought. Chances are you are severely underpaid.

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I like wearing a dress shirt and wool pants because I like looking good. I'm not allowed to wear a tie (heavens forbid a coat) because I'll scare the other engineers and developers. At my last job, I wore a dress shirt (with a collar) and jeans one day, and my coworkers made me go home and change into a t-shirt and jeans. Seattle/Redmond area btw, it's incredibly relaxed here.

Dude. The answer to that request is to laugh and say "if you think I'm going to rely on my personality to get laid, you're kidding yourself.". And then, just always dress well. There's never anything wrong with looking the best you can. There are far worse things to be known for.

It wasn't a request. It was teammates constantly asking where I was interviewing across the day. One team member made that same "joke" four times in a row, in the span of a few minutes.

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Dude. The answer to that request is to laugh and say "if you think I'm going to rely on my personality to get laid, you're kidding yourself.". And then, just always dress well. There's never anything wrong with looking the best you can. There are far worse things to be known for.

It wasn't a request. It was teammates constantly asking where I was interviewing across the day. One team member made that same "joke" four times in a row, in the span of a few minutes.

That seriously sucks.

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What is the payscale between the both vs type of work A hoodie-wearer at FB or Apple probably out-earns the majority of suit-wearers at Goldman - it is definitely not about money, just about attitude.

>>> A hoodie-wearer at FB or Apple probably out-earns the majority of suit-wearers at Goldman - it is definitely not about money, just about attitude. Sorry but it's highly unlikely.

True. There is a broader point that holds though, average tech salaries are above or equal to some careers that assume daily suits, even if NYC investment banking isn't one of them.

I think it's mostly tribal signalling, " I am not a suit" kind of thing. Although never having to deal with dry cleaning is an incentive, too.

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