Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent

Post by MR4D » Sun, Jul 16, 2017, 3:59 AM UTC

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Common dress absolutely drives a certain esprit de corps . The irony in my example is that the corporate code ruined the informal one we'd developed over the years (white dress shirt, fleece or vest and brown shoes with tan slacks or black shoes with light pinstripes). Before the rebellion, I could identify, on the street, our teams (and who were the interns--black suits with skinny ties, almost all of them). Afterwa…

> white dress shirt It would seem that as an American you refer to a white shirt - but what do you term that which I (as a Briton) would call a dress shirt? (Worn with evening, or the most formal of morning attire. That is, with your -ahem- tuxedo !)

Post by jjtheblunt » Sun, Jul 16, 2017, 4:13 AM UTC

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If Cialdini's Influence is to be believed, everyone says they don't treat people wearing (or driving) nice stuff better, but subjecting this to scientific scrutiny reveals that they overwhelmingly and significantly do . If that's true then dressing well is pretty damn rational in general, and especially if money's on the line.

As an Indian immigrant to Minnesota in the 1970s, my dad adopted a habit of ALWAYS wearing a suit. This gave him the benefit of the doubt in a lot of interactions where he wouldn't have otherwise had it. He kept up that habit for a long time and wore a suit to parent teacher conferences, my 4th grade violin "concert," etc. It most certainly got him a deference from others and did its job admirably. He never got OK wi…

Post by _ptgt » Sun, Jul 16, 2017, 5:29 AM UTC

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I never got the point of dress codes. When everyone dress (boringly) alike I tend to view them as mindless drones and my respect for them drops to near zero. Show up in some unusual or creative outfit however and I'm so much more willing to believe you are an intelligent and interresting human being.

Everyone says that but overwhelmingly people in professional attire are treated better in social situations.

Post by mianos » Sun, Jul 16, 2017, 6:51 AM UTC

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Ehh. Every boss I've ever worked for after my initial out-of-college gig has known that I interview regularly, once every quarter at least; it was never anything personal or because of dissatisfaction, just "I like networking and I like seeing how the trends in the market are evolving". I usually didn't wear a suit to those, though, for the other reason: tech people get weird about well-dressed people and think they'…

> tech people get weird about well-dressed people and think they're "fakes" or whatever. There's some historical precedence there. Up until ~10-15 years ago the fakers and know-nothings used to always wear suits. They were the guys who pulled the purse strings, but had no clue. Unfortunately, since then they've learnt to mimic the dress of their prey. So now instead of the "empty suit" you have an "empty hoodie".

Post by gaius » Sun, Jul 16, 2017, 7:02 AM UTC

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I'm old enough to not care sometimes and to play the game sometimes and to know the difference Tell a suit wearer that they should dress casual tomorrow and they'll say OK. Tell a geek they have to wear a suit tomorrow and they'll freak out. Now tell me who cares more about clothes?

Hmm.. that's a good point actually with a slight rebuttal: The suit wearer also has a closet full of casual clothes The casual wearer will not have a line of suits - thus his freak out What is the payscale between the both vs type of work and hours? Would be great to get a map of all this