I never got the point of dress codes. When everyone dress (boringly) alike I tend to view them as mindless drones and my respect for them drops to near zero. Show up in some unusual or creative outfit however and I'm so much more willing to believe you are an intelligent and interresting human being.
Totally agree. I mean, look at all these dull, uncreative, mindless drones http://www.uh.edu/engines/Solvay-1927.jpg .
Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Goldman Sachs has always had a ridiculously antiquated dress code for people who will never come within fifty feet of a client. When I was much younger I didn't understand the concept of people who never had to deal with clients having a dress code but now I sorta do: the company is trying to create or promote the concept that everyone in the company is a member of the same team and have more in common with each othe…
You're a part of the same team and you need to wear these outfits which you will likely never wear outside of work, but the huge bonus goes to the client favoring sales team, and no - we won't pay for the garb we require you to maintain the illusion that we are all equals! Honestly, one of the things I absolutely love about tech/Silicon Valley is nobody cares at all how you dress. Although, I noticed the sale force o…
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Totally agree. I mean, look at all these dull, uncreative, mindless drones http://www.uh.edu/engines/Solvay-1927.jpg .
I feel like a black and white picture doesn't really contribute to the conversation. I assume it's meant as a joke but either way, I try to downvote when something doesn't contribute (as opposed to when I don't agree).
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Goldman Sachs has always had a ridiculously antiquated dress code for people who will never come within fifty feet of a client. When I was much younger I didn't understand the concept of people who never had to deal with clients having a dress code but now I sorta do: the company is trying to create or promote the concept that everyone in the company is a member of the same team and have more in common with each othe…
You're a part of the same team and you need to wear these outfits which you will likely never wear outside of work, but the huge bonus goes to the client favoring sales team, and no - we won't pay for the garb we require you to maintain the illusion that we are all equals! Honestly, one of the things I absolutely love about tech/Silicon Valley is nobody cares at all how you dress. Although, I noticed the sale force o…
LOL the "hoodie code" is 10x stronger than any suit code.
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
#76I worked on the American trading floor of a Swiss bank. After the crisis, Zürich decided to reign in us free-wheelers. So they came out with a new dress code [1]: "Among the 'dos' and 'don’ts' for women: 'Make sure to touch up hair regrowth regularly if you color your hair.' Men are commanded to, 'Schedule barber appointments every four weeks to maintain your haircut shape.' Neither sex is allowed to 'allow their und…
Not associated with them, but this would finallz be a reason to buy one of those awesome suits: https://www.opposuits.com/suits.html
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
#77Economist Tyler Cowen makes another good argument for formal dress: it is a vehicle for social mobility.[1] In a society that values formal dress, you can signal your intent to move up the social hierarchy by how you dress yourself. If you want to become an elite, then dress like one and people will take you seriously. But when the elites adopt casual dress in their professional lives, what is left are much more subtle and hard-to-adopt class signifiers: manners of speaking, interests, childhood experiences, travel, etc.
Yet another problem is that dressing "smart casual" is actually more difficult and expensive than wearing a suit. A suit is a great equalizer. A $2000 suit is not all that different than a $300 suit. And you can very easily get away with having only two or three suits. But smart casual is much more difficult, subtle, and expensive to pull off.[2]
[1]http://www.businessinsider.com/wearing-casual-clothes-at-wor...
[2]http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/05/inf...
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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#79compensation for engineers is still lower at Goldman than at tech firms, nice try Goldman.
Maybe a minority view but, pay me a suit salary because I actually want to wear a suit. I'm a professional, not your friend's tech-savvy kid.
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're a part of the same team and you need to wear these outfits which you will likely never wear outside of work, but the huge bonus goes to the client favoring sales team, and no - we won't pay for the garb we require you to maintain the illusion that we are all equals! Honestly, one of the things I absolutely love about tech/Silicon Valley is nobody cares at all how you dress. Although, I noticed the sale force o…
Honestly, one of the things I absolutely love about tech/Silicon Valley is nobody cares at all how you dress. LOL the "hoodie code" is 10x stronger than any suit code.
If you're even the slightest bit concerned with anything anyone is wearing, then you need to focus on something else.