California Supreme Court Moves to Make Bar Exam Easier to Pass

Post by johan_larson » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 7:45 AM UTC

NTDF9 wrote: post #37

unstatusthequo wrote: post #12

Coming from a lawyer who passed Illinois in 2004 and took California's bar in 2014, I can say that for my CA test, the passage rate for attorneys barred in other states was around 20% (if I recall). California has differences in its laws that make it naturally harder than the "collective norm." Further, part of that low passage rate is because of two factors: 1) most attorneys already barred work full time, thus stud…

Sounds like tech coding interview process.

Post by arethuza » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 11:15 AM UTC

0xbear wrote: post #69

NTDF9 wrote: post #37

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Sounds like tech coding interview process.

Except after you're done, you get paid like $500 per hour

Post by passivepinetree » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 2:38 PM UTC

ZanyProgrammer wrote: post #33

simonsarris wrote: post #17

Because the schools are passing/producing more bad grads than ever, probably, regardless of total enrollment numbers. There are two rough ways to take this: A. The bar is needlessly high, its just gatekeeping credentialism B. The median school output (the median grad) is increasingly worse. I think the actual issue is B. I think its worse than most people want to admit. It stuck out to me when I was doing a little re…

Yes it's B, read law school scam blogs to get the full impact.

Post by SilasX » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 3:07 PM UTC

brianwawok wrote: post #66

gnicholas wrote: post #46

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In NY, you can only take 3x. In CA, you can take it as many times as you want. This is one of the reasons that the "repeat taker rate" and the "aggregate rate" in CA are much worse than in NY. CA simply has a different proportion of first-time takers, since repeat takers are not cut off at any point. When I took the bar in 2007, there was a guy who blogged about taking the bar. After learning he had failed, he contin…

Reminds me of the joke "what do you call the guy who got LAST PLACE in medical school" Doctor If you set a standard, the last place guy is just as much a part of it as the first place guy. Now it might not look so good on resumes, but he is legal.

Post by SilasX » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 6:05 PM UTC

brianwawok wrote: post #78

SilasX wrote: post #77

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It's a pointless joke. For a high enough standard, last place is plenty good. The fact that someone is in last place says nothing about how difficult the cutoff is. To reverse the joke: you know what they call last place in the award ceremony? Bronze medalist.

Or to go along further, Do you know what they call the guy who got last place at the 100m dash in the olympics? Last place / slowest / loser Despite being the 8th fastest person on the planet.