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Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by vixen99 »

tanilama wrote: post #33
mc32 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to take a page out of the old Russian system. Get the younger generation prepared for a STEM field to excel. The USSR did a lot of things in hamfisted ways, but one thing they did right was strengthening their STEM education and cranking out very good scientists and mathematicians. We can do that too, if we put the effort into it. Instead we crank out liberal arts kids and other low value add degrees --I mean…

To have a Russian/China system, is not really that easy. Russian/China system builds on a competitive hierarchy of exams to basically classify people into buckets according to their intelligence level. Even though it may be good on a national scale, it is indeed a cruel system to individuals. Your confidence or personality is least of this system's concern, and living a micro society where score is literally everythi…

Romania also has a competitive school system. Surprising to me (from UK) to find that even the class (in addition to the school) you get to attend in high school depends only on the final published mark you get in the National Evaluation (taken in 8th grade) plus your course mark. The exams don't measure intelligence as such, they measure performance in the subjects examined and how else should one objectively measure this?

No one defends the making of unwarranted perjorative conclusions from low scores other than as a measure of competence in the subject tested.

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Post by dazilcher »

calvinbhai wrote: post #80

This article is short on facts. As a high skilled temp immigrant in US (from India), I follow these stories very closely and it is sad to see such scare mongering articles based on pure imagination! 1) Diversity lottery needs to go. IMO it's purpose was to find low skilled immigrants who'd often become taxi drivers or food cart owners. Most of these industries that relied on DV immigrant labor have been disrupted and…

I must call BS on your first point: it's not just false, but also quite naive to think that an immigration program would purposely target low-skilled individuals.

First, DV is supposed to use random selection (lottery) - so the resulting distribution should reflect the statistical makeup of the applicant pool.

Second, one of the DV requirements is a high school diploma - so the pool is biased towards higher education from the start.

Third, the rest of the process (documentation, online application, English/affidavit/liquidity requirements) again favors educated/affluent individuals.

So I posit that the opposite is true: DV is selecting from a highly-skilled applicant pool, and the benefitting immigrants are better educated than the average population.

Anecdotal evidence: all DV immigrants I know (including myself) hold at least a bachelor degree, and work in high-skill professional fields.

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Post by olegkikin »

prodmerc wrote: post #71
olegkikin wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU programmer salaries are way too low. In the US a senior web dev can make $200-300K. Good luck finding anything even close to that in the EU. Maybe if you're extraordinary, but then you can make a lot more in the US.

Living costs are proportionately lower as well, even within the US (and many have chimed in saying most US devs don't make anywhere near SV salaries).

> Living costs are proportionately lower as well

You have to be more specific. EU has a huge range in cost of living. Switzerland/Norway are very expensive. Poland/Romania are cheap.

Plus, as an American, you will get double-taxed in some of the countries that don't have an agreement with the US.

Having living in both the US and the EU, USA is still cheaper, as in, you end up with a lot more money after all your expenses, even if you account the health insurance costs (which the difference with the EU taxes alone will offset).

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Post by BoiledCabbage »

anotherbrownguy wrote: post #86
brooklyntribe wrote: post #74

Republicans are "afraid" of unknowns. People, places things. It seems to be wired in. They are not really racists, just they are "afraid." Probably goes back to ancient days. Who is that stranger? Do they carry a disease, will they take my wife, etc. Why take a chance? While Democrats seem to welcome the unknown. Take that chance. Lets just take a leap. WTF, life is to experience it all. And then we die. Seems that w…

Doesn't explain why Republicans freed the slaves and Democrats fought for 60 years to bring it back... but whatever floats your boat. I wish you best of luck to your trip to Mars. Hope it is one way.

Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with him, it's pretty clear he's talking about the modern republican party. Ie the coalition that was formed as a backlash to the civil rights act.

If you disagree with him (and there are legit reasons to), then write your views opposed to him, don't try to misrepresent his view and argue against that instead.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by anotherbrownguy »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #94
anotherbrownguy wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't explain why Republicans freed the slaves and Democrats fought for 60 years to bring it back... but whatever floats your boat. I wish you best of luck to your trip to Mars. Hope it is one way.

Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with him, it's pretty clear he's talking about the modern republican party. Ie the coalition that was formed as a backlash to the civil rights act. If you disagree with him (and there are legit reasons to), then write your views opposed to him, don't try to misrepresent his view and argue against that instead.

The "backlash" was from former Democrats who were brainwashed for decades to hate the blacks who then decided to support the Republican party as a revenge because they felt betrayed by the Democratic Party when they switched their position on black people... not very different from some former Bernie supporters voting Trump.

If Republicans as a whole are now "afraid of blacks" because a small southern group joined it as a revenge then would you also say that now they are also afraid of capitalism because some Bernie supporters joined it?

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Post by true_religion »

dazilcher wrote: post #92
calvinbhai wrote: post #80

This article is short on facts. As a high skilled temp immigrant in US (from India), I follow these stories very closely and it is sad to see such scare mongering articles based on pure imagination! 1) Diversity lottery needs to go. IMO it's purpose was to find low skilled immigrants who'd often become taxi drivers or food cart owners. Most of these industries that relied on DV immigrant labor have been disrupted and…

I must call BS on your first point: it's not just false, but also quite naive to think that an immigration program would purposely target low-skilled individuals. First, DV is supposed to use random selection (lottery) - so the resulting distribution should reflect the statistical makeup of the applicant pool. Second, one of the DV requirements is a high school diploma - so the pool is biased towards higher education…

How did you meet all these DV immigrants?

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Post by scarface74 »

whatupmd wrote: post #76
whack wrote: post #68

To be honest, the current system is so dysfunctional that this may even be an improvement. It is shocking to me that only 10% of our immigrants have gotten here though merit. There was an article on nytimes recently about the Canadian immigration system, how successful and popular it's been, and how this is largely the result of a system that heavily priorities immigrants who are highly skilled and can contribute the…

"those holding advanced degrees, and those with extraordinary ability in a particular field." Would be interested to see a break-down of degree and field. I will posit that majority of H-1Bs are Masters holders in IT field from the same country.

What percentage of immigrants holding "advanced degrees" from foreign countries are actually any good? My experience from interviewing "senior software engineers" that were educated both domestically and abroad shows an appalling percentage of people who can actually code let alone architect a decent system.

If people in the industry can't distinguish between qualified and non qualified people, how can the government?

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Post by diebir »

brooklyntribe wrote: post #74

Republicans are "afraid" of unknowns. People, places things. It seems to be wired in. They are not really racists, just they are "afraid." Probably goes back to ancient days. Who is that stranger? Do they carry a disease, will they take my wife, etc. Why take a chance? While Democrats seem to welcome the unknown. Take that chance. Lets just take a leap. WTF, life is to experience it all. And then we die. Seems that w…

Yep. Just look at Fox News front page: only crime and scare mongering, everywhere, from politics to everyday life. People wired to be afraid of life and looking for a strong figure in politics end up being Republicans. These and the religilous.

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Post by marcell »

kodfodrasz wrote: post #21
marcell wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? I knew a lot of Googlers who were on H1B visa. Not all were Indian. Anecdotally, I know other large companies (FB, etc.) use it as well.

Large companies do this, so it must be good for the country!

My point is companies like Google and FB are not a using it to hire low skill workers. Every H1B I met there was very skilled.

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Post by Imagenuity »

dazilcher wrote: post #92
calvinbhai wrote: post #80

This article is short on facts. As a high skilled temp immigrant in US (from India), I follow these stories very closely and it is sad to see such scare mongering articles based on pure imagination! 1) Diversity lottery needs to go. IMO it's purpose was to find low skilled immigrants who'd often become taxi drivers or food cart owners. Most of these industries that relied on DV immigrant labor have been disrupted and…

I must call BS on your first point: it's not just false, but also quite naive to think that an immigration program would purposely target low-skilled individuals. First, DV is supposed to use random selection (lottery) - so the resulting distribution should reflect the statistical makeup of the applicant pool. Second, one of the DV requirements is a high school diploma - so the pool is biased towards higher education…

The account @dazilcher created just for this reply. They also hijacked the top comment for visibility.

Treat with skepticism.

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