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Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by raverbashing »

closeparen wrote: post #32
mc32 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to take a page out of the old Russian system. Get the younger generation prepared for a STEM field to excel. The USSR did a lot of things in hamfisted ways, but one thing they did right was strengthening their STEM education and cranking out very good scientists and mathematicians. We can do that too, if we put the effort into it. Instead we crank out liberal arts kids and other low value add degrees --I mean…

What are you talking about? There are far too many STEM graduates already. Brilliant people with PhDs from great schools often can't find living-wage work in their fields. Becoming highly educated in STEM isn't just low-value-add, it destroys value: a smart person wastes years of his life and productive capacity training for a research position he'll never get, then (optimistically) gets a programming or finance job…

Yes, the academic world is a racket.

To be honest you don't need to be rubber stamped by academia to do research. Companies should have started to realise that.

People should aim for STEM degrees, but there's no need to burn years on a PhD.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by raverbashing »

mritun wrote: post #22
hourislate wrote: post #3

Thank goodness. The Indian H1B folks have over run DFW. I was just told today that one of the H1B folks is going full time and the company is doing the paper work to make it happen (Green Card). It's a shame because they could have certainly hired a local person or a kid out of school but I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. H1B program needs to to be done away with. It is being gamed and no l…

> but I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. While I respect your opinions on H1B program because you are entitled to have one, you have evidently no idea how much an H1B is paid if you think its a "pittance" (or have a different definition of "pittance"). E.g. See http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Facebook+Inc&job=&city=SEAT... BTW, the salaries mentioned are just base (i.e. cash component). You…

Compare to http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Tata+Consultancy+Services+L...

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by mrdodge »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #8

This will send shockwaves through corporate America. I was at a Capitol One office last summer talking to their engineers. It was over 90% H1-B visa holders. Either they have to open foreign offices in other countries for talent or hire American citizens. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I bet we'll see more women get into IT and software engineering once the industry becomes more diverse. 90% H1-Bs, most from truly misogynistic countries has more impact on the lack of women in IT than some bros.

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Post by 43224gg252 »

deegles wrote: post #15
jurassic wrote: post #11

I'm the only person on my team with American citizenship, but my teammates are all so talented. And nice. It makes me sad to think about the stress and insecurity these changes could cause them.

Call your representative and let them know!

And they're not nearly as progressive as they want the world to believe. Germany only recently recognized gay marriage a month ago (and they may not have, had America not paved the way).

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Post by olegkikin »

rb666 wrote: post #26

Just move to Europe, you'll be happier for it.

EU programmer salaries are way too low. In the US a senior web dev can make $200-300K. Good luck finding anything even close to that in the EU. Maybe if you're extraordinary, but then you can make a lot more in the US.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

averagewall wrote: post #60
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voting for a candidate doesn't mean you agree with all their policies, simply that you agree more or find the bad ones less vile than the competition. This is especially true in what is essentially a two-party system. For example, one candidate is racist and thinks segregation and separate-but-equal is the way to go towards a peaceful society. The other one supports drone strikes (or something else you find vile). An…

That's the ridiculous thing about American voting. They don't pick the one they like the most, they do what your first paragraph said and pick the one they dislike the least out of the two major parties. The result is the same two parties doing the same things year after year, swapping places about every 8 years and making the whole exercise of voting pointless except to maintain that stable state. So many people on…

It is ridiculous, but I also think folks tend to not like either viable choice, and often don't see themselves represented in the fringe parties - if they even have many choices in the category. I'm from Indiana, and often the only third choice was the green party. And that was only for presidental election, nothing for other offices.

The system in the states is a multi-party system in name only: Functionally, it is a two-party system, hence the low participation in such political parties. I think this could be changed with proper legislation, but am doubtful this will happen in the current political climate.

Besides, it isn't like the green party could make everyone happy either, and doubt they'd have an easier time getting things done in congress.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by gautamdivgi »

mrdodge wrote: post #63
godzillabrennus wrote: post #8

This will send shockwaves through corporate America. I was at a Capitol One office last summer talking to their engineers. It was over 90% H1-B visa holders. Either they have to open foreign offices in other countries for talent or hire American citizens. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I bet we'll see more women get into IT and software engineering once the industry becomes more diverse. 90% H1-Bs, most from truly misogynistic countries has more impact on the lack of women in IT than some bros.

What complete rubbish.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by whack »

To be honest, the current system is so dysfunctional that this may even be an improvement. It is shocking to me that only 10% of our immigrants have gotten here though merit. There was an article on nytimes recently about the Canadian immigration system, how successful and popular it's been, and how this is largely the result of a system that heavily priorities immigrants who are highly skilled and can contribute the most to the economy.

I distrust Trump just as much as any other liberal, but even a broken clock can sometimes be right. Any moves we make towards a Canadian model of immigration, would be a great improvement over the status quo.

https://nyti.ms/2ugNBLH

"Those admitted to the U.S. on the basis of merit have accounted for less than 10 percent of all legal immigrants over the past 15 years"

"The legislation would, for example, increase the number of green cards — which allow for permanent residency in the U.S. — that are granted on the basis of merit to foreigners in a series of categories including outstanding professors and researchers, those holding advanced degrees, and those with extraordinary ability in a particular field."

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by prodmerc »

mrdodge wrote: post #55
eksemplar wrote: post #7

I wonder why these changes are so welcomed by low-middle skill labour. Do they simply not see the big picture of what brain drain does to the total sum of opportunities?

This country survived before H1B immigration. One could say we actually had relatively more rapid technological progress during the time in which we had the least immigration.

Of course you're downvoted. You know who benefits from mass immigration of cheap skilled and unskilled labour? Growth/profit oriented businesses, aka the majority. And you know they'll fight for their profits.

After WW2, immigration dropped, while a lot of new work in all areas was popping up. Result - labour shortages and decent wages, more or less.

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Post by prodmerc »

eksemplar wrote: post #28
worldsayshi wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems there's no consensus on the big picture in the general population. It's a very divided country.

I'm not American, or from the third world. I'm Scandinavian and even I have seen talent drain to scilicon valley where they've created thousands of jobs that could potentially have been made here.

You should be happy about any US anti-immigrant policies. It'll stop some brain drain from everywhere else :)
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