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Post by mdpopescu »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #201
PKop wrote: post #71

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Perhaps because they charged $60 million for it?

What I sincerely don't get about IT is why customers sign contracts where they fork over the mulah even when nothing of value is delivered to them . Why the actual fuck? I mean, if Delta ordered a super-advanced new fancy 787 as a tech demo, and Boeing came back with "sorry, our experts were unable to make anything work, so we're going to take all your money and not give you anything back", Delta would rightly tell B…

If you buy a product, like Windows 10, you pay X and get the product, with whatever it contains. You can return that and get your money back.

If you buy a service, or a customized product, then you pay for the time and effort it takes to build / customize that product. Returning that time and effort would be difficult :)

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zoeysaurusrex wrote: post #61
throwaway9980 wrote: post #3

IBM vastly over promises with their marketing. It is so frustrating to have to answer questions from the CEO about why we don't solve all our problems with magic beans from IBM's Watson. I understand that this is what they want. They want to drive executives' interest in the product, but I believe they do so at the expense of their goodwill with the tech community. Am I the only one who cringes when these ads air? Ed…

I'm happy to be harsh because I've had years and years of experience dealing with IBM. Their tools are trash for the cost they want. The majority of their offerings are overengineered and prone to failure in a production setting. They are pros at selling to non-technical management, all the while IT employees get stuck dealing with the aftermath. We ended up getting stuck with the IBM version of work item management,…

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Post by zaphod_ibm »

Disclosure: I work for IBM.

Watson is not a consumer gadget but the AI platform for real business. Watson solutions are being built, used, and deployed in more than 45 countries and across 20 different industries. Take health care alone -- Watson is in clinical use in the US and 5 other countries, and it has been trained on 8 types of cancers, with plans to add 6 more this year. Watson has now been trained and released to help support physicians in their treatment of breast, lung, colorectal, cervical, ovarian, gastric and prostate cancers. By the end of the year, the technology will be available to support at least 12 cancer types, representing 80 percent of the global incidence of cancer. Beyond oncology, Watson is in use by nearly half of the top 25 life sciences companies, major manufacturers for IoT applications, retail and financial services firms, and partners like GM, H&R Block and SalesForce.com.

We have invested billions of dollars in the Watson business unit since its inception in 2014, with more than 15,000 professionals, and more than a third of IBM's research division is devoted to leading-edge AI research. When you consider the vast scope of IBM's work in AI, from Watson Health to Watson Financial Services to the emerging Internet of Things opportunity, it is clear that no other company is doing AI at the scale of IBM.

By the end of this year, Watson will touch one billion people in some way · Watson can “see,” able to describe the contents of an image. For example, Watson can identify melanoma from skin lesion images with 95 percent accuracy, according to research with Memorial Sloan Kettering. · Watson can “hear,” understanding speech including Japanese, Mandarin, Spanish, Portuguese, among others. · Watson can “read” 9 languages. · Watson can “feel” impulses from sensors in elevators, buildings, autos and even ball bearings. · At IBM, there are more than 1,000 researchers focused solely on artificial intelligence

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Post by hildaman »

gaius wrote: post #229
dsr_ wrote: post #224

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While I'm not a fan of Oracle, I have to correct you: Oracle DB runs just fine on Oracle Linux. It installs exactly the same way that it does on RHEL, same checklist.

That's kinda my point - why do they ship a Linux distribution without the prerequisites for their flagship product preinstalled?

Probably because they don't want to deal with the overhead of maintaining patches to RHEL source.

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Post by covener »

sunyataishere wrote: post #178
abtinf wrote: post #30

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Disclosure: I work in developer advocacy at IBM. If you are looking to build a project using cognitive technologies, you certainly should investigate your options. Each offering has different strengths with different workloads and small improvements in quality can go a long way. If you want to checkout the services for yourself without all the hype, take a look at the APIs on https://www.ibm.com/watson/developercloud…

Whoa - did you just provide a link to Watson APIs that include an service with the name of 'Phd API' and state that this info was without the hype? You truly are an advocate for developers!!! Oh IBM... I must thank you for the years of WebShere Commerce misery forced to downgrade JDKs to 1.4x while everyone else was developing on 7. Sigh

When Java 7 was released in 2011, there was already a 2-year old WebSphere Commerce release supporting Java 6. I don't think you can pin those years you were on a superceded 5-7 year old stack on IBM.

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Post by doug1001 »

throwaway9980 wrote: post #3

IBM vastly over promises with their marketing. It is so frustrating to have to answer questions from the CEO about why we don't solve all our problems with magic beans from IBM's Watson. I understand that this is what they want. They want to drive executives' interest in the product, but I believe they do so at the expense of their goodwill with the tech community. Am I the only one who cringes when these ads air? Ed…

gives me some solace to know others find themselves in this position. I remember nearly two years ago, i found some Oracle market brochures directed to BI 'solutions'--courtesy of an Oracle sales rep who sat next to CTO on a 12-hour business class flight--on my desk with a stick note from our CTO "please review, then let's chat". As ordered, i diligently read each pretentious little piece of trivia in the pile, then asked him what specific functionality the Oracle stack offered that our open-source stack did not. He said "360 view of the customer", which i had just read about a dozen times.

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Post by gaius »

hildaman wrote: post #284
gaius wrote: post #229

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That's kinda my point - why do they ship a Linux distribution without the prerequisites for their flagship product preinstalled?

Probably because they don't want to deal with the overhead of maintaining patches to RHEL source.

Then they fully deserve the ridicule. It's like Ford selling you a car but you have to bring your own tyres if you want to drive it away

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Post by agumonkey »

pgodzin wrote: post #176
agumonkey wrote: post #171

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Thanks, that's a nice and long list. I still wish I could get a more technical view of what you're doing in medicine, are there conferences or symposium ?

I also found https://www.ibm.com/blogs/watson-health/category/case-study/ and https://www.ibm.com/blogs/watson-health/category/white-paper... that show case studies and white papers. There are also some publications linked at https://www.research.ibm.com/healthcare-and-life-sciences/ and http://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view_group_subpa... http://researcher.ibm.com/researcher/view_group_pubs.php?grp... I'm…

Very much, thanks a ton. Good luck

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Post by odammit »

staofbur wrote: post #276
odammit wrote: post #262

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When I get issues were vendors point fingers at each other I three way call them, tell them what's up, hit mute, go get a coffee, and let them figure it out.

We did that. They were still finger pointing two hours later. Legal guys said it wasn't worth suing them because we'd have to pay up then or lose the support contract.

Oof. You should bill them for your time. I sent HP or Dell (can't recall) an invoice for $800 in my early 20s for my time wasted on a support call where a "support tech" had asked me to reinstall Windows as a way to fix a disk that failed in a RAID array. OS was AIX.

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Post by zaphod_ibm »

zoeysaurusrex wrote: post #61
throwaway9980 wrote: post #3

IBM vastly over promises with their marketing. It is so frustrating to have to answer questions from the CEO about why we don't solve all our problems with magic beans from IBM's Watson. I understand that this is what they want. They want to drive executives' interest in the product, but I believe they do so at the expense of their goodwill with the tech community. Am I the only one who cringes when these ads air? Ed…

I'm happy to be harsh because I've had years and years of experience dealing with IBM. Their tools are trash for the cost they want. The majority of their offerings are overengineered and prone to failure in a production setting. They are pros at selling to non-technical management, all the while IT employees get stuck dealing with the aftermath. We ended up getting stuck with the IBM version of work item management,…

Thank you for your feedback. I work for IBM and would like to share the details with our product team so that we can improve. What were your issues with Jazz Team Concert and how do you think we can do better next time?
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