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Re: Redis 4.0

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Post by Perceptes »

randomdrake wrote: post #71
antirez wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not for the change in terminology at this step, because it is very unfortunate to change the terminology of a project that is here for years, however I tried to use the fact we have this terminology to remind people of what slavery looked (and still looks in certain parts of the world) like, so: 1) We have a SLAVEOF NO ONE command which is very popular. 2) We have a note about slavery here: https://redis.io/comma…

antirez, this is easily one of my favorite comments I've seen on Hacker News in a number of years. In looking into what you've said here, I've learned that this is a bigger movement in software than I was aware of with projects like Drupal[1], CouchDB[2], and Django[3] taking similar stances. The github issue[4] spawning your change contains even more profoundly good ways of thinking about how software can do more, i…

Here's another example of changing terminology in software for similar reasons to master/slave: Changing PetSet to StatefulSet in Kubernetes: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/27430

Re: Redis 4.0

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Post by takeda »

dewitt wrote: post #27
toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sir or Madam, I am one of the most emphatic humans I know (on my scale as a pleb). I care for the suffering of all people, and am willing to give up large chunks of my life remaining for social causes. I live below my means so people I've never met can live a better life. But arguing over terminology used by a data store? Let's not discuss window dressing patterns while the neighborhood is burning to the ground. Pick…

I'd say this is as good as any other hill from a empathy perspective. That's the thing about empathy; it's the ability to participate in the feelings of others , not yourself.

No, it's all about feel good, especially about YOU feeling good that you did something. Kind of like people signing Internet petition or wear awareness bracelets.

The problem with it is that you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, except making yourself feel better.

Want to help? Contribute to something that actually matters.

Re: Redis 4.0

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Post by fapjacks »

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I am so smitten with antirez (and redis)! One of my favorite projects for sure.

Re: Redis 4.0

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Post by dvirsky »

ing33k wrote: post #133
infocollector wrote: post #79

Is there a Redis PPA for Ubuntu 16.04 that is supported by the redis team?

Redis is of the the very few applications , that I install manually almost every time. trick is to use the utils/install_server.sh

hey, I wrote that little script years ago, glad to hear someone (besides me) is still using it! :)

Re: Redis 4.0

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Post by tracker1 »

anirudhgarg wrote: post #124

Any news on when this will be on Azure Redis Cache ? https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cache/

Wouldn't expect it in anything less than 3-6 months tbh... depends on how anxious MS is to git this into place.

Re: Redis 4.0

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Post by guuz »

matt4077 wrote: post #54
toomuchtodo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My changing my tech terminology isn't going to fix systemic racial tensions. It's not going to fix white officers getting away with killing unarmed black civilians. It's not going to fix the mass incarceration of black males due to broken public policy over the last few decades. It's not going to fix systemic policy issues that lead to a higher chance of poverty for minorities, preventing class mobility. Pick the rig…

> My time is valuable. Through my dollars earned I contribute to positive social change wherever possible. What's your contribution besides berating me? Dunno. But that antirez guy up there agrees with the original criticism, and I think I may have seen the name before, somewhere. But maybe my memory is faulty... Since you're complaining about the time such discussions waste, I'm wondering what you see as the end-gam…

> you shouldn't discount the power of words and symbols

Words are not static entities. Language evolves in unpredictable ways. Master/slave became jargon based on a truly despicable thing, unfortunately, but the original meaning is an irrelevant detail in our technical context.

One can attack the idea of "context", but I think it is not very effective, or even honest. It is a leap of logic to imply that a single expression used in very specific moments is somehow related to atrocities happening right now. The words (and symbols and culture and ideas) argument is a killer abstraction and anything can be said with it.

I am black and I live in an extremely racist society. The habit of discussing this kind of thing can have a negative impact on what really matters. Even empathetic people could become tired.

Ps: my english is not that great.

Re: Redis 4.0

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

schneems wrote: post #36
numbsafari wrote: post #5

I really wish Redis wouldn't use the "master/slave" terminology. Primary/replica or even Master/replica are better terms. I know I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but it's a pox on a project that I otherwise very much love.

I think the m/s terminology is not technically correct. The actual behavior of a "slave" would better be described as a "follower" or a "replica". In an IRL master/slave dynamic the master does not first do the work only to be copied by a slave. The slave does all the work while the master whips them. It's better to choose a more technically correct metaphor/terminology.

You chose the wrong definition of slave to make your argument...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology)

In the computing world, this is what master/slave means. And has for 40 years. It doesn't matter what the words can also mean, just like it doesn't matter that the word whip can mean a kind of desert, or to stir.

You need a dictionary.

Re: Redis 4.0

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Post by Ralfp »

pepve wrote: post #46
dboreham wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but it has also been common practice for at least 20 years in the US to not use the term slave. Source: I worked on replication since 1996 and we were asked to use "supplier" and "consumer" at that time. Actually I've been surprised to see slave making a come back recently. Wondered if people hadn't received the memo or perhaps were outside the US cultural influence.

"outside the US cultural influence" Where is this magical place you speak of?

Eastern Europe sees discussions like this being done by the "bored westerners" and finding it great fuel for right. When Django was moving away from "blacklists", the general attitude was to mock it, or keep quiet about it:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=y&prev...

Re: Redis 4.0

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Post by abiox »

antirez wrote: post #9
numbsafari wrote: post #5

I really wish Redis wouldn't use the "master/slave" terminology. Primary/replica or even Master/replica are better terms. I know I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but it's a pox on a project that I otherwise very much love.

I'm not for the change in terminology at this step, because it is very unfortunate to change the terminology of a project that is here for years, however I tried to use the fact we have this terminology to remind people of what slavery looked (and still looks in certain parts of the world) like, so: 1) We have a SLAVEOF NO ONE command which is very popular. 2) We have a note about slavery here: https://redis.io/comma…

> because it is very unfortunate to change the terminology of a project that is here for years

...is it? i guess my interpretation of saying 'unfortunate' here is that there is some kind of sentimental attachment or something.

are there legitimate practical issues?

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