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Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Refuses to Die

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Re: Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Refuses to Die

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> There are tons of data from the Voyager trips collected 31 years ago that are still unanalyzed, and getting funding to examine them is very, very difficult.

the PIs i dealt with on space missions were usually on to the next piece of hardware they were going to fling into space before they had the data from the last one.

and i think the lab i was at had some voyager (or pioneer?) data laying around that one of the emeritus scientists was talking about getting transferred off of tape so he could finally look at it.

Re: Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Refuses to Die

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> There are tons of data from the Voyager trips collected 31 years ago that are still unanalyzed, and getting funding to examine them is very, very difficult. the PIs i dealt with on space missions were usually on to the next piece of hardware they were going to fling into space before they had the data from the last one. and i think the lab i was at had some voyager (or pioneer?) data laying around that one of the e…

I sure hope someone has a plan to at least preserve all this data, if not to look at it. Does anyone know?

Re: Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Refuses to Die

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> There are tons of data from the Voyager trips collected 31 years ago that are still unanalyzed, and getting funding to examine them is very, very difficult. the PIs i dealt with on space missions were usually on to the next piece of hardware they were going to fling into space before they had the data from the last one. and i think the lab i was at had some voyager (or pioneer?) data laying around that one of the e…

Can AI help solve this problem?

Re: Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Refuses to Die

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> There are tons of data from the Voyager trips collected 31 years ago that are still unanalyzed, and getting funding to examine them is very, very difficult. the PIs i dealt with on space missions were usually on to the next piece of hardware they were going to fling into space before they had the data from the last one. and i think the lab i was at had some voyager (or pioneer?) data laying around that one of the e…

Can AI help solve this problem?

Not if you can't even tell the AI what you're looking for. We're a long way from "Computer, is there anything interesting about this data?"

Re: Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Refuses to Die

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> There are tons of data from the Voyager trips collected 31 years ago that are still unanalyzed, and getting funding to examine them is very, very difficult. the PIs i dealt with on space missions were usually on to the next piece of hardware they were going to fling into space before they had the data from the last one. and i think the lab i was at had some voyager (or pioneer?) data laying around that one of the e…

Too bad this data can't be opened for hobbyists to review, in the same manner that hobbyist astronomers assist in discovering new stars.

Re: Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Refuses to Die

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can AI help solve this problem?

Not if you can't even tell the AI what you're looking for. We're a long way from "Computer, is there anything interesting about this data?"

Unsupervised learning is a thing. It could tell us "these data points are similar", we just still need a human to try and quantify why it thinks they are similar.

Re: Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Refuses to Die

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> There are tons of data from the Voyager trips collected 31 years ago that are still unanalyzed, and getting funding to examine them is very, very difficult. the PIs i dealt with on space missions were usually on to the next piece of hardware they were going to fling into space before they had the data from the last one. and i think the lab i was at had some voyager (or pioneer?) data laying around that one of the e…

Too bad this data can't be opened for hobbyists to review, in the same manner that hobbyist astronomers assist in discovering new stars.

for what it's worth, they were doing a much better job of getting data from their more recent missions (maybe 2000 on?) up on websites.

the data from these research instruments is not easily analyzed using public information, though. overviews of how the instruments are _supposed_ to work are published in a book on the entire mission (for instance, for SDO: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4614-3673-7 ) but as far as i know the weirdness instruments develop over their life isn't written down anywhere public.

and the data processing code for these things is sufficiently complicated that even with all of the documentation and access to the PIs and hardware engineers, it takes at least a few engineer*years to get working.

Re: Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Refuses to Die

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> There are tons of data from the Voyager trips collected 31 years ago that are still unanalyzed, and getting funding to examine them is very, very difficult. the PIs i dealt with on space missions were usually on to the next piece of hardware they were going to fling into space before they had the data from the last one. and i think the lab i was at had some voyager (or pioneer?) data laying around that one of the e…

Too bad this data can't be opened for hobbyists to review, in the same manner that hobbyist astronomers assist in discovering new stars.

I had a 50-odd CD set of voyager data dumps from NASA once. Not sure what happened to them but the data was out there and obtainable.

Edit: turns out you can download at least some of them from archive.org! https://archive.org/details/VoyagerstotheOuterPlanetsVol5

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