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Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

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Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

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Post by sudhirj »

giantwolf2017 wrote: post #18

This is an interesting article. It makes no mention of the controversy leading up to these comments. People generally aren't racist when it comes to money. The host was triggered into a racist tirade after being informed the renter was bringing 2 extra people and 2 extra dogs. The guest informed her hosts while on route in a snowstorm. It's well within the hosts rights to declare the contractual reservation null and…

Assuming that this is true, it still wouldn't help the host's case one bit. I don't think the host's right to cancel is in question - hosts are well within their rights to cancel when they see a breach of contract or even for no reason whatsoever. The problem is the host brining race into it.

Deciding to bring friends and pets to a weekend stay is normal human behaviour, and if this was an entire cabin, as described, the maximum allowed guests was quite likely more than one. There's also nothing to say that pets weren't allowed on the property.

And I don't get out that much, but being snowed in with two friends and their dogs doesn't sound like a "giant weekend party". Were they big dogs :-P ?

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giantwolf2017 wrote: post #18

This is an interesting article. It makes no mention of the controversy leading up to these comments. People generally aren't racist when it comes to money. The host was triggered into a racist tirade after being informed the renter was bringing 2 extra people and 2 extra dogs. The guest informed her hosts while on route in a snowstorm. It's well within the hosts rights to declare the contractual reservation null and…

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Post by usaphp »

rhcom2 wrote: post #46
thrownblown wrote: post #32

The lady canceled because she tried to show up with 4 extra friends and 2 dogs. edit: 2 extra friends.

The lady approved of the extra people and dogs ahead of time for an added fee.

Where did you get it from? The comment on the video they have in the article says:

> "if you think 4 people and 2 dogs are getting a room for $50 a night on big bear mountain during the busiest weekend of the year...you are insanely high".

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

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Post by koolba »

djtriptych wrote: post #56
whatok wrote: post #13

I do not see what forcing a class on someone like this (especially at their age) will accomplish. Does anyone really think a semester long course is going to make her go "well, gee whiz, guess I shouldn't discriminate against those Asians anymore"?

And yet, education is the best antidote to racism.

Travel maybe a vaccine, but I doubt education cures much. People need personal experiences and a truly racist person forced into a classroom is just going to count the hours till she's out of there.

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Post by chickenfries »

giantwolf2017 wrote: post #18

This is an interesting article. It makes no mention of the controversy leading up to these comments. People generally aren't racist when it comes to money. The host was triggered into a racist tirade after being informed the renter was bringing 2 extra people and 2 extra dogs. The guest informed her hosts while on route in a snowstorm. It's well within the hosts rights to declare the contractual reservation null and…

In the video she says that she asked if it was okay to bring the extra 2 people before hand. They don't mention the dogs.

> This law student seems like a complete entitled idiot that had her reservation cancelled because she tried to impose her own rules on the airbnb owner.

Citation needed. What evidence do you have that she was doing anything other than trying to offer her extra money to house her and her friends dogs during a snowstorm?

> As a law student, she knew how to milk public sympathy and the law system to her benefit. I doubt this will be the last time we hear of this woman.

This, combined with your choice to focus on them being a law student and calling them an "entitled idiot" when I don't really see an evidence of that... your bias is showing.

> All users must commit to treating others “regardless of race, religion, national origin, disability, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation or age, with respect, and without judgment or bias."

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-airbnb-disc...

> The host was triggered into a racist tirade > The host screwed up and injected race into the equation, and that is why she is being punished.

Someone this racist isn't INJECTING race, it's their worldview. Do you seriously think someone who is this close to going on a racist tirade is behaving in an unbiased manner when dealing with possible clients? "One word says it all: Asian."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuZn8iVQbSc

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Post by rhcom2 »

usaphp wrote: post #73
rhcom2 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lady approved of the extra people and dogs ahead of time for an added fee.

Where did you get it from? The comment on the video they have in the article says: > "if you think 4 people and 2 dogs are getting a room for $50 a night on big bear mountain during the busiest weekend of the year...you are insanely high".

> "When Suh later asked if it was OK to bring two friends and two dogs along, Barker said it was fine but the group would need to pay an additional $50 a night, according to screenshots of their text messages." https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/13/airbnb-ca...

They didn't put all the text messages in the video.

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Post by TallGuyShort »

btilly wrote: post #35
TallGuyShort wrote: post #6

I had someone in Palo Alto decline my request because of my gender. Would that be viewed differently in the law?

You'll find a good summary of the relevant rules at https://www.craigslist.org/about/FHA . If it was a roommate request, then it is viewed differently. If the property was at most 3 units and the landlord lives there, then the landlord cannot advertise that they will discriminate on gender but the landlord is allowed to. (Who said that the laws had to make sense?)

Yeah if I'm going to get declined after going to the trouble of applying, or if I'm going to enter into a housing agreement with someone who hates me, I'd rather their advertisement be smothered in discriminatory epithets. Seriously.

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Post by mikestew »

savvyraccoon wrote: post #58

Stupid of the host to act like that and inexcusable, got what she deserved etc, but.... This is one sided reporting. First of all Barker accepted the booking knowing who the guest would be, from her name, profile etc. Then there were frequent polite comms where the booking was changed, renegotiated. Two extra guests were added. Then the guest asked to bring a small dog, and the host said no because they have a pitbul…

All well and good, none of which is relevant to the story. What is relevant is that the host documented that she doesn’t want to rent to Asians. That’s why the host ended up paying $5K, not because the guest was a pain in the ass.

Yes, if she’d just said, “you’re a pain in the ass, I’m not renting to you”, all would be well. But some people just can’t help themselves, I guess (I’m picturing the host as some letters-to-the-editor crackpot).

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

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Post by chickenfries »

anotherbrownguy wrote: post #66
rdiddly wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation needed? Where'd you find all that? Not being a pain in the ass, I just want to read it.

Message transcript and full story here: https://www.everipedia.com/tami-barker-airbnb-host/ I agree with OP. The woman was stupid enough to use racist remarks but the reasons she cancelled the reservation was definitely not racist.

So you think this person is racist, but that they don't act like it? You're assuming that they wouldn't have treated a white person behaving the same way differently, even though you KNOW this person is very easily triggered into racist tirades? While acting as an AirBnB host?

I just don't see how you can look and that and think "yeah, they probably treat all their guests equally regardless of race. I'm sure she's very nice to OTHER, better behaving Asian law students."

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Post by usaphp »

rhcom2 wrote: post #76
usaphp wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you get it from? The comment on the video they have in the article says: > "if you think 4 people and 2 dogs are getting a room for $50 a night on big bear mountain during the busiest weekend of the year...you are insanely high".

> "When Suh later asked if it was OK to bring two friends and two dogs along, Barker said it was fine but the group would need to pay an additional $50 a night, according to screenshots of their text messages." https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/13/airbnb-ca... They didn't put all the text messages in the video.

I wonder why they did not put the most important part of the conversation in the video? Instead they put the part where the host is not approving the request?
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