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Re: Things to know about the A68 iceberg

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Post by phkahler »

nonbel wrote: post #9
dukoid wrote: post #2

TLDR: The calving of the 1.1 trillon ton ice berg (2x amount of water used in the US each year) marks the end of a decades long splintering, first seen by satellites in the 1960s. 1. What's next? It will drift north along the coast of the Antarctic Peninsula, then northeast into the south Atlantic Ocean. Likely no threat to ships navigating the area. Can take months to splinter apart. 2. Is this climate change? Calvi…

>"2. Is this climate change? Calving is a natural process and Antarctica is not breaking apart, but climate change can't be ruled out." "Climate change" doesn't make specific enough predictions about this type of stuff to ever be ruled out, people could just keep coming up with ideas about X indefinitely: Climate Change -> X -> Larsen C rift A more accurate way to put it is that, up until now, all proposed ideas for…

>> Also, it is clear to me from reading the news and comments about this event that many people really, really want this to be linked to climate change. It is to the point that cognitive dissonance ensues when it is pointed out the experts are in disagreement with them. That is unhealthy.

I think it's healthy. The people who experience cognitive dissonance are so personally invested in their belief that they are no longer able to see things objectively. That's not a good place to be in any case.

Re: Things to know about the A68 iceberg

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Post by nonbel »

phkahler wrote: post #11
nonbel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"2. Is this climate change? Calving is a natural process and Antarctica is not breaking apart, but climate change can't be ruled out." "Climate change" doesn't make specific enough predictions about this type of stuff to ever be ruled out, people could just keep coming up with ideas about X indefinitely: Climate Change -> X -> Larsen C rift A more accurate way to put it is that, up until now, all proposed ideas for…

>> Also, it is clear to me from reading the news and comments about this event that many people really, really want this to be linked to climate change. It is to the point that cognitive dissonance ensues when it is pointed out the experts are in disagreement with them. That is unhealthy. I think it's healthy. The people who experience cognitive dissonance are so personally invested in their belief that they are no l…

Go through my comment history for this topic, you will find some of the most bizarre reasons proposed for why the MIDAS team was being quoted as saying this is probably natural and not anything ominous.

Re: Things to know about the A68 iceberg

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Post by phkahler »

strainer wrote: post #3

I think this advice which is in all reports of this event is quite tenuous: "The calving of icebergs is a natural process. ... as news of the calving spread, many researchers were careful to note that they were not chalking it up to global warming." The falling of trees is a natural process but when they fall in a storm we don't often say to not chalk it up to the storm.

The thing is... If we wanted to not in interfere, and let the natural process do its thing, we'd be looking at the end of the inter-glacial period in the next 1000 years. After that we'd see glaciation starting to cover a lot of the northern hemisphere. Sea levels would start to drop - ultimately several hundred feet, exposing the continental shelf everywhere. All our coastal cities would be inland.

Some have said that even all the CO2 we can produce won't be enough to stop the natural cycle. I wonder if it will actually speed it up a little bit. Something triggers the end of the inter-glacial and clearly we are not there yet. Therefore, I conclude that the planet was never at the steady state the climate alarmists pretend it was before humans interfered.

Re: Things to know about the A68 iceberg

#15

Post by bsder »

phkahler wrote: post #14
strainer wrote: post #3

I think this advice which is in all reports of this event is quite tenuous: "The calving of icebergs is a natural process. ... as news of the calving spread, many researchers were careful to note that they were not chalking it up to global warming." The falling of trees is a natural process but when they fall in a storm we don't often say to not chalk it up to the storm.

The thing is... If we wanted to not in interfere, and let the natural process do its thing, we'd be looking at the end of the inter-glacial period in the next 1000 years. After that we'd see glaciation starting to cover a lot of the northern hemisphere. Sea levels would start to drop - ultimately several hundred feet, exposing the continental shelf everywhere. All our coastal cities would be inland. Some have said th…

> Some have said that even all the CO2 we can produce won't be enough to stop the natural cycle.

"Some have said" -- Stop. Just stop.

If you can't cite, you aren't worth debating.

Re: Things to know about the A68 iceberg

#16

Post by pavement »

It's funny to me, because at this point, there's glaring scientific evidence to demonstrate not-trivially-reversible anthropogenic climate change, and we're sort of at that same point where we were with leaded gasoline, where it's not about whistle-blowers anymore, but there's still an intractable scientific payola to plant the seed of doubt in any conversation.

Action is required at this point, regardless of transnational economic inertia.

What does it take to root out scientific provocateurs, and shut them up?

Re: Things to know about the A68 iceberg

#17

Post by ericd »

phkahler wrote: post #14
strainer wrote: post #3

I think this advice which is in all reports of this event is quite tenuous: "The calving of icebergs is a natural process. ... as news of the calving spread, many researchers were careful to note that they were not chalking it up to global warming." The falling of trees is a natural process but when they fall in a storm we don't often say to not chalk it up to the storm.

The thing is... If we wanted to not in interfere, and let the natural process do its thing, we'd be looking at the end of the inter-glacial period in the next 1000 years. After that we'd see glaciation starting to cover a lot of the northern hemisphere. Sea levels would start to drop - ultimately several hundred feet, exposing the continental shelf everywhere. All our coastal cities would be inland. Some have said th…

Nobody pretends the planet was in steady state before humans ramped up CO2 production, everyone knows about the last ice age.

Re: Things to know about the A68 iceberg

#18

Post by dgfgfdagasdfgfa »

strainer wrote: post #3

I think this advice which is in all reports of this event is quite tenuous: "The calving of icebergs is a natural process. ... as news of the calving spread, many researchers were careful to note that they were not chalking it up to global warming." The falling of trees is a natural process but when they fall in a storm we don't often say to not chalk it up to the storm.

People don't often argue about the existence of the storm while it's happening.

Re: Things to know about the A68 iceberg

#19

Post by nonbel »

phkahler wrote: post #11
nonbel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"2. Is this climate change? Calving is a natural process and Antarctica is not breaking apart, but climate change can't be ruled out." "Climate change" doesn't make specific enough predictions about this type of stuff to ever be ruled out, people could just keep coming up with ideas about X indefinitely: Climate Change -> X -> Larsen C rift A more accurate way to put it is that, up until now, all proposed ideas for…

>> Also, it is clear to me from reading the news and comments about this event that many people really, really want this to be linked to climate change. It is to the point that cognitive dissonance ensues when it is pointed out the experts are in disagreement with them. That is unhealthy. I think it's healthy. The people who experience cognitive dissonance are so personally invested in their belief that they are no l…

Just go through this thread. Almost every poster knows there is some ominous global warming stuff going on here, despite being told otherwise by the experts and being totally ignorant on the topic.

Re: Things to know about the A68 iceberg

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