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Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by Danihan »

austenallred wrote: post #180
Danihan wrote: post #179

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Does it cover JSF?

No. We use JavaScript for front-end stuff as that's the native language of the browser. We'll also use a little bit of Spring, so JSF isn't far away, but I wouldn't go into looking for a school that teaches exactly one (relatively small) framework. Look for the fundamental principles and worry about frameworks later.

Fair enough, and I'm no expert, but isn't JSF 2 a formalized / built-in standard, rather than a relatively small framework?

I thought most of what made Spring useful and popular was blown away by JSF 2.

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by austenallred »

grandalf wrote: post #159
losvedir wrote: post #144

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That's a very interesting article. One of the points that really stood out to me, despite the present but weak correlation with socioeconomic status, is that it still serves as a very strong springboard for gifted children out of poverty. The article mentions that the SATs can be the bane of upper middle class parents trying to get their children into good schools (test prep works, but only goes so far), while even k…

Exactly. There are many schools (in the east in particular) where privileged children end up who didn't get into the Ivy League, Stanford, U of Chicago or U of Michigan. The value of the alumni and professional network of these lesser schools, as well as the brand name, is lower than the top tier schools, but the parents often did attend a more elite school, and their network offers inter-generational benefits. It's…

For what it's worth, when I saw that you looped in U of Michigan with the ivy leagues I thought you must have attended U of M. I don't view U of M with anywhere near the same level of prestige.

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by austenallred »

Danihan wrote: post #181
austenallred wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. We use JavaScript for front-end stuff as that's the native language of the browser. We'll also use a little bit of Spring, so JSF isn't far away, but I wouldn't go into looking for a school that teaches exactly one (relatively small) framework. Look for the fundamental principles and worry about frameworks later.

Fair enough, and I'm no expert, but isn't JSF 2 a formalized / built-in standard, rather than a relatively small framework? I thought most of what made Spring useful and popular was blown away by JSF 2.

Yeah, it's formally a part of the Java platform, and it's widely used, but I'd recommend becoming adept at using several different kinds of frameworks before I single one out. JSF, like all frameworks, will have advantages and disadvantages, and I'm sure there are Spring vs JSF holy wars, but the best advice someone can give a budding programmer is do not get caught up in that until you actually understand the underlying principles.

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by austenallred »

altotrees wrote: post #145
GauntletWizard wrote: post #44

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Gee, $40k per year? But with huge return on investment in education? Why don't we give people loans, and tie them to their future income? I smell a business opportunity.

If education loans and repayment plans were tied to future income, I feel like we would have a much healthier higher education system in the U.S. As it stands now, it seems to be one of the bleaker spots in our overall current situation (I know, I know there are a few bleak spots right now and no one is forcing people to take out these loans).

That's exactly it. Right now, barring government action, so long as I can keep students coming to my door there's no incentive to perform.

Schools like ITT Tech have shown, in my mind difinitively, that if you're willing to pay enough for student acquisition you can have absolutely terrible outcomes, still saddle up students with tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt, fail to get them jobs, and for some inexplicable reason they'll still keep coming.

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by stale2002 »

learc83 wrote: post #84
xiaoma wrote: post #53

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The bubble is credentialed post-secondary schools and the 1.3 trillion dollar student debt crisis. Just like the credentialed schools, there's a wide variety in quality and outcomes, but I think it's pretty clear they're doing better on ROI (and at least people aren't going into decades of debt for them en masse). > "If the school failed to survive, does it affect the survival of its graduates? Is this going to have…

Federal loans (90% of all loans) come with income based repayment plans that charge 10% of your disposable income and are cancelled after 20 years if you don't pay it off. The income based repayment plans are also retroactively available to all Federal borrowers. It's not actually as big of a problem as it sounds.

10% of your income for 20 YEARS.

Man, it is funny that people get mad at Bootcamps like app academy for charging 20% of your income for a single year....

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by [deleted] »

austenallred wrote: post #182
grandalf wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. There are many schools (in the east in particular) where privileged children end up who didn't get into the Ivy League, Stanford, U of Chicago or U of Michigan. The value of the alumni and professional network of these lesser schools, as well as the brand name, is lower than the top tier schools, but the parents often did attend a more elite school, and their network offers inter-generational benefits. It's…

For what it's worth, when I saw that you looped in U of Michigan with the ivy leagues I thought you must have attended U of M. I don't view U of M with anywhere near the same level of prestige.

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Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by mxschumacher »

taildrop wrote: post #174
mxschumacher wrote: post #104

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42 student here. The school is 100% free as in no upfront cost and no later charge. The difficulty is to get in, one has to make it through a 26 day C heavy selection process and pass logic tests beforehand. The school is really meritocratic in the sense that formal background is irrelevant and financial assistance makes it accessible for almost everybody.

Provided you happen to be between the ages of 18 and 30.

I have not found official info on this but there are programs for people above 30, I see them on campus every day.

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by crucini »

Danihan wrote: post #175
wildmusings wrote: post #68

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Another part of the value of a university is that they factor in SAT scores heavily into admissions. SAT scores correlate strongly with IQ. Hiring based on IQ tests is illegal, but hiring mostly from certain universities is not.

>Hiring based on IQ tests is illegal Citation pls?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

It would be legal if you can prove in court that IQ is reasonably related to the job.

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by ravenstine »

DBC 2013 alumnus here.

I'm super disappointed to hear this news. Although I could see it coming, because how often does this kind of thing NOT happen when a small company gets purchased by a larger corporation?

DBC was quite an institution. As I've stated before, it's not about what they can teach you – it was simply an invaluable resource to allow those with ambition to figure out aspects of app development on their own and with other people. If you're expecting a series of lectures, exams, and knowledge to be bestowed upon you at DBC, you're looking at it wrong and you will fail. To have a place to go where you can spend months hacking on things with other people while going through a learning process, right in the center of the action in technology, was so unique and valuable. I met so many cool people and had far greater experiences than my time in college. It changed my life tremendously. I have Shereef and everyone whom I shared my experience with to thank! I really could be living in a van down by the river right now if I didn't discover DBC.

The greatest thing I got out of DBC was not coding ability, which I mostly picked up on my own, but a mindset/philosophy about learning and problem-solving. I know that many of these things come naturally to people software engineering, especially those far more brilliant than I, but not everyone figures these things out. They summed it up as the "growth" mindset vs. the "fixed mindset", which seems fairly accurate to me.

I really hope someone can continue(or at least hold a candle to) DBC's legacy. A lot of bootcamps seem like junk, but I'm sure that's not all of them.

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by JustAnotherPat »

kabuks wrote: post #97
phrowaway21231 wrote: post #34

Shereef Bishay sold out his staff and sold out his mission and he's going to the do the same to his staff at Learner's Guild in Oakland! He sold it off to Kaplan for 80M and his staff (with equity) got nothing!!! I interviewed for a role at Dev bootcamp in 2016 and got an odd feeling from the place and the woman who interviewed me. She took several months to get back to me after I followed up multiple times and wow a…

Hey, what you're saying about me is not true. Please don't do that. Seriously, it hurts.

You abandoned DBC and set up a competitor. A lot of people got screwed over while you raked in a ton of cash.

You may not be responsible for the decline of DBC, but part of the reason it is crap now is because they expanded to like 30 locations. I'm almost certain that's the model you pitched to Kaplan because you sold right after the New York Campus opened.

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