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Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Re: Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Post by jessaustin »

gutnor wrote: post #76
keymone wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is until the market is opened up and regulated. with so many young people around realizing that a thing they constantly produce for free is worth something - there will be no incentive to go through the criminal path. also worth mentioning that this could positively impact young population health as there is now clear monetary incentive to keep your blood healthy. it's a win all around, regulators just have to b…

Western world is already struggling to find enough blood donor, and one of their main source are the students. You would not want to force those students to have to choose between morality and 1 order of magnitude more money than what they can do in the official public blood donation center.

It is not immoral to sell one's own blood, so long as one is not left unable to fulfill other moral obligations.

Re: Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Post by jessaustin »

dynofuz wrote: post #59

This was shown to be an inaccurate conclusion from the study. Since the animals were sewn together, more than just blood was shared. Organs, motility, behavior, etc. http://news.berkeley.edu/2016/11/22/young-blood-does-not-rev... a new study must be done where only blood is transmitted periodically without those other factors in the picture.

Haha, based on all the complaints above about selling blood, people are unlikely to accept sewing humans together.

Re: Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Post by thinkfurther »

mrfusion wrote: post #68
mmjaa wrote: post #34

This is not going to end well. Human trafficking is already a seriously bad condition in most societies - with this kind of science, I doubt that the black/grey markets are going to ignore the fact that there are very, very wealthy people out there, willing to pay for a little youth or two. This really speaks to the ethics of science, and technological morality. The world simply isn't ready for some of these major ad…

Come on. Let's start with a positive comment. (I think this is one cause of our technological stagnation. Every article about a new technology has a comment like this at the top.)

What technological stagnation?

> Through our scientific and technological genius we’ve made of this world a neighborhood. And now through our moral and ethical commitment we must make of it a brotherhood. We must all learn to live together as brothers—or we will all perish together as fools.

-- Martin Luther King

Every time someone makes a comment indicating a modicum of social progress, there's a response like yours not getting it. They're not against technology, they're just for things like a decent world to live in, too.

But why not be like Steve Seagal in that MAD TV sketch instead? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_l-4rAUAzQ&t=1m32s That's our response to Martin Luther King, Albert Einstein, Konrad Zuse, Joseph Weizenbaum and many others. Just wait until they die, then lie to ourselves that we aren't stuck at a set of stairs they climbed, but that this slide into the basement is an elevator that goes up and is much more efficient than the stairs.

Ever noticed how the greats don't seem to obsess much about having to die at some point? Maybe they did but kept it to themselves, or they wrote a lot about it and I just missed it. Anecdotally at least it seems that the people who would want immortality are those it would be wasted on, while those that are hard to let go would not accept it. We're like cancer to the tapestry of life, we don't see the beauty of the life around us, we just want to have MOAR of our own. The more mediocre the person the more likely for that to be true. We can do without honey bees, fuck yeah, but we can't do without prolonging the lives of people who didn't grok it in the time they had. Let's loop the broken sounds of all things, maybe in a loop they will be less broken.

If you want a positive comment, make a positive situation, and I'll cheerlead gladly.

Re: Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Post by ekianjo »

rothron wrote: post #73
jraby3 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why kidnap? Why not just offer $20 per pint and sell it for $200?

Blood banks stopped paying for blood because it attracted the wrong customers, those strapped for cash rather than the idealistic types. As a result quality suffered. Between hospitals blood is bought and sold at the price you mention. Radiolab had an episode about this some time ago.

pay for health check tests before drawing the blood, and if tests results are good pay the person for the blood market price. Otherwise they get nothing. It can really work if you put the incentives in the right place.

Re: Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Post by keymone »

gutnor wrote: post #76
keymone wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is until the market is opened up and regulated. with so many young people around realizing that a thing they constantly produce for free is worth something - there will be no incentive to go through the criminal path. also worth mentioning that this could positively impact young population health as there is now clear monetary incentive to keep your blood healthy. it's a win all around, regulators just have to b…

Western world is already struggling to find enough blood donor, and one of their main source are the students. You would not want to force those students to have to choose between morality and 1 order of magnitude more money than what they can do in the official public blood donation center.

i don't buy it. my gut feeling is that loss in number of donors due to incentive to sell will be completely offset by lowering the barrier to giving your blood. companies fighting for customers and public image will start charity programs where some % of sold blood will be donated. there are just many more ways in which blood would be donated into the system with open market than with the closed one.

Re: Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Post by ekianjo »

gutnor wrote: post #76
keymone wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is until the market is opened up and regulated. with so many young people around realizing that a thing they constantly produce for free is worth something - there will be no incentive to go through the criminal path. also worth mentioning that this could positively impact young population health as there is now clear monetary incentive to keep your blood healthy. it's a win all around, regulators just have to b…

Western world is already struggling to find enough blood donor, and one of their main source are the students. You would not want to force those students to have to choose between morality and 1 order of magnitude more money than what they can do in the official public blood donation center.

struggling to find blood because almost nobody wants to give it for free. pay people for their time and donation. thats what markets are for.

Re: Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Post by jessaustin »

richmarr wrote: post #51
mgarfias wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blood bag, please. Let's use gender neutral descriptions

(In the UK at least) "bag" is a derogatory term used for older women. Just sayin.

In the movie, the blood bags seemed to be mostly young men?

Re: Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Post by Sleeep »

cgb223 wrote: post #17
had2makeanacct wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was based on real events though, aren't Silicon Valley people also using Ketamine to cure depression?

There's all sorts of lore about constructive drug use in Silicon Valley start up culture but it's not as prevalent as people say it is I've never seen anyone microdose LSD or take Ketamine for Depression, hell, most of my coworkers don't even smoke marijuana recreationally or otherwise. It's just that weird drug use makes headlines and headlines makes money

How can you speak so authoritatively about the private habits of your coworkers? Unless they are subjected to random unannounced drug tests (uncommon outside of the military and safety critical industries) or come into work obviously high you wouldn't have any idea what they do in their private time. You might as well be commenting on their sex lives too.

Re: Blood from young animals can revitalise old ones

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Post by GBond »

mrfusion wrote: post #68
mmjaa wrote: post #34

This is not going to end well. Human trafficking is already a seriously bad condition in most societies - with this kind of science, I doubt that the black/grey markets are going to ignore the fact that there are very, very wealthy people out there, willing to pay for a little youth or two. This really speaks to the ethics of science, and technological morality. The world simply isn't ready for some of these major ad…

Come on. Let's start with a positive comment. (I think this is one cause of our technological stagnation. Every article about a new technology has a comment like this at the top.)

Negative comments being quickly bubbled up to the top is an HN thing. Most tech folks I know are the idealist type.
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