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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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jerf wrote: post #11
rtx wrote: post #7

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1IzN9tst28

I'd like to point out that even if you disagree with this video that hearing it straight from the source is valuable. If you want to convince Ajit Pai that he's wrong, knowing what his current (public) opinion truly is (rather than just someone's strawman) makes it way easier.

If you've read his position and his article, you can clearly see that its just a position of convenience.

He doesn't care, his goal is to get what he wants, while keeping his political "team" on his side, and thus its senators.

His is a position of convenience and will change as the wind changes.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by dang »

tyrrvk wrote: post #373
dang wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusations of astroturfing and shillage aren't allowed here unless you have evidence, and someone else having a different opinion doesn't count as evidence. Please don't post like this to HN. For those who want to read further about HN's approach to this, there's another thread from today at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14753932 and links to much more from there.

my apologies. I wasn't aware of this rule.

Sorry about that—it's going into the site guidelines, just very slowly.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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dingo_bat wrote: post #361
peterashford wrote: post #188

As a New Zealander, I find it extraordinarily inappropriate that global infrastructure like the Internet is being shaped by the whims of US politics and corporate culture. The Internet is a global network of global concern and it should be above the manoeuvring of Republicans and American Internet providers

Yeah, that's because majority of the innovation that has happened in this space has happened in the USA. What were you expecting?

We would hope that American's, and the good tech informed people on HN, would recognize that the innovation in tech was done by tech firms, which is welcomed and lauded.

But it is the unwholesome development and innovation in your political and lobbying fields, that is being used to set standards around the world.

A vast chunk of problems today trace their roots back directly to the MPAA and the RIAA, and their efforts to stamp out piracy.

Piracy which in turn was defined by a set of copyright protections which ensured that the people with the better lawyers and lobbyists now dictated when a good or creation escaped protection.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by intended »

wmf wrote: post #215
peterashford wrote: post #188

As a New Zealander, I find it extraordinarily inappropriate that global infrastructure like the Internet is being shaped by the whims of US politics and corporate culture. The Internet is a global network of global concern and it should be above the manoeuvring of Republicans and American Internet providers

Are there any examples of this happening?

YES!

India in particular bore the brunt of Facebook's fortunately ham handed approach to pushing non neutral net down our throats.

And the success and failure, of the American system is used as a reference point to study Net Neutrality in India.

To be fair, the responsibly authority also uses references from interested parties, and legal examples set in other countries.

The TRAI (Telecm Reg Auth Ind) focuses on the best outcome for its citizens, so its relatively open minded in its focus.

At the same time, the Indian telecom Authority is severely lobbied by Indian telecom firms, who are now mounting their second assault on the neutral net.

And they are learning from their debacle. The TRAI is now asking questions on scenarios in which it might be a good thing that NN was not applied and so on.

Correct rulings in America, their reasoning, their supporting documents, the evidence and so on, will be used and studied around the world.

And I suppose that if American's so chose, they could look beyond their borders and see what other NN related rulings have been made around the world.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by intended »

peterashford wrote: post #359
wmf wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any examples of this happening?

What do you mean? I don't see the international community having ANY say on Net Neutrality. All the actors in the debate are American. What more do you want?

Each country faces their own NN battle, and any competent authority studies the examples of other nations, or they ask experts, who study the outcomes in other countries.

Including telecom lobbyists, who study how misinformation and complex arguments can help them win political capital to push their ideas.

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Post by omnimus »

cderwin wrote: post #260
satsuma wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to see sites with severely limited usage as well but I imagine that would result in angry customers who don't give a rip one way or the other hurting the bottom line.

This is correct. I am not a fan of net neutrality and the level of "protest" that has appeared today already makes me uneasy. It's easy to claim that google is so monolithic that blocking its services for a day would be a crippling blow to the anti-net neutrality crowd, but it's really just blackmail. I don't think the public would be responsive to such a threat, and there are plenty of alternatives (even if the qual…

Wow - not a friend of net neutrality? Such person exists?! And reads hacker news? Site which sucess is directly connected to open internet ..

I thought that this will be the one issue where hacker news crowd will be united.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by joseluisq »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

W3C Encrypted Media Extensions

Editors: David Dorwin, Google Inc.Jerry Smith, Microsoft CorporationMark Watson, Netflix Inc.Adrian Bateman, Microsoft Corporation (Until May 2014)

https://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/

So in this way we can save the net neutrality?

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by enraged_camel »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #355
archgoon wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm afraid that you have misunderstood the Bloomberg article. Nothing in it is about checking the power of the president (it says itself the president determines when to end the meetings and whether to ignore advice). It is all about verifying that The President has issued the order, and then ensuring that order is carried out. The President is contacted in this scenario simply because he's the only one who can actua…

I was just describing the official process. Having spent 14 years in the military I can tell you that it's more complex than just that. The entire point of the US command and control system is to guarantee that the President and only the President is capable of authorizing nuclear war whenever he needs to. Yes, legally and formally. Informally though, as I said, it won't go down like that, especially if it's not comp…

By the time it became completely unambiguous, it would be too late.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by omnimus »

peterashford wrote: post #188

As a New Zealander, I find it extraordinarily inappropriate that global infrastructure like the Internet is being shaped by the whims of US politics and corporate culture. The Internet is a global network of global concern and it should be above the manoeuvring of Republicans and American Internet providers

It is very alarming indeed. First they fuck up their citizens net. Then it will be foreign acess to US servers.

You might argue that net neutrality is not such a threat... But this is first step. This is how it all starts.

All the comments about being this americans decision - like its their internet - are not helpful.

Government of my country is stupid and they might get idea to follow us. God i hope they follow Germany or some openminded country.

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