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After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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post #31

It's a huge shame that SoundCloud is likely dying, because large segments of the music industry and literally entire genres of music are solely on SoundCloud. This may sound hyperbolic, but I feel like them shutting down would be the "burning of the Library of Alexandria" of 21st century music

Largely already happened previously with MP3.com Not to say "we" couldn't do better but there's always been a huge amount of content, music and otherwise, from amateurs and mostly amateurs in particular that isn't preserved in any systematic way.

Another one was RCRD.LBL. Loved their daily mp3s in my inbox.

Re: After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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It's a huge shame that SoundCloud is likely dying, because large segments of the music industry and literally entire genres of music are solely on SoundCloud. This may sound hyperbolic, but I feel like them shutting down would be the "burning of the Library of Alexandria" of 21st century music

That's the cloud for you.

Re: After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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post #8

I can't help but feel badly for SoundCloud and their CEO. Over the years I've seen dozens of companies get to a point where its clear that the future is not what they had envisioned. It's that moment of facing reality of "If we were likely to win, we would have by now, but we didn't so really what is next for us?" It is that point where the investors have seen perhaps three or four internal projects that haven't push…

Do you think that employees stick around because the CEO/leadership says "we've got this new direction we are super excited about" and they would bail if they got "nothing... has created a viable business"? That is, are the employees who stick around happy to stick their heads in the sand as long as the leadership throws out the "we're excited" bone? I would prefer the honesty about the hail mary and I would think mo…

I can't speak for Berlin of course, but in the Bay Area the employees are usually in a pretty reasonable position. They can leave if they want and get jobs somewhere else, often the company will provide incentives for some or all of them to stay that probably pay dividends whether or not the company succeeds at making it into a new direction.

I prefer to be honest with folks who work for me in such situations as well, but that is generally a leadership style that is particular to the leader.

Re: After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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They should start begging for money, Wikipedia style. I'd happily pay $50-$100 a year for a service I use for like 10 hours a day (I already pay di.fm something like that).

That's how charities, not businesses work.

Re: After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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post #32

The biggest problem is what the article touches on, loss of the best employees. They kept who they thought were key, but the best employees, the ones who really move the needle and have lots of other opportunities are out the door first. Losing your best talent means time to market goes up for new products and quality goes down. It's also really hard to get top talent again. This makes a bad situation far worse and i…

To take things further, these failed companies become zombies, and like zombies, they become more than just toxic, they become dangerous.

When your good people start leaving, you replace them with OK people. When THOSE people leave you replace them with anyone with a pulse. Those people eventually screw things up and you wind up with data breaches and the like which further screw over customers, shareholders, employees or all of the above. Zombie companies are bad news.

Re: After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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It's a huge shame that SoundCloud is likely dying, because large segments of the music industry and literally entire genres of music are solely on SoundCloud. This may sound hyperbolic, but I feel like them shutting down would be the "burning of the Library of Alexandria" of 21st century music

The Alexandria analogy already occurred this year. When what.cd was shut down.

Re: After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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post #8

I can't help but feel badly for SoundCloud and their CEO. Over the years I've seen dozens of companies get to a point where its clear that the future is not what they had envisioned. It's that moment of facing reality of "If we were likely to win, we would have by now, but we didn't so really what is next for us?" It is that point where the investors have seen perhaps three or four internal projects that haven't push…

Do you think that employees stick around because the CEO/leadership says "we've got this new direction we are super excited about" and they would bail if they got "nothing... has created a viable business"? That is, are the employees who stick around happy to stick their heads in the sand as long as the leadership throws out the "we're excited" bone? I would prefer the honesty about the hail mary and I would think mo…

> Do you think that employees stick around because the CEO/leadership says "we've got this new direction we are super excited about" and they would bail if they got "nothing... has created a viable business"? That is, are the employees who stick around happy to stick their heads in the sand as long as the leadership throws out the "we're excited" bone?

I think you underestimate the capacity for people to delude themselves. Change is painful and a change that leaves behind a projects that you've invested heavily in is even more painful (sunk cost fallacy). Talking about the realities of the situation shatters that self-delusion.

You also fail to account for morale. We've all heard of tightly-knit teams who managed to succeed against incredible odds because they believed in what they were doing; the converse is much less talked about: teams that believe they cannot succeed, inevitably won't.

So, from a management perspective, it never makes sense to admit one is in a "Hail Mary" situation, even when it's patently obvious.

> EDIT: I should also say that I'd likely go to the mat for the person who's honest about the hail mary.

Bluntly, why? Your family and your future retirement depends on your income and career success. If the prospects for success are that bleak, how does it make sense for you to take on that risk personally? "For the good of the company?" For your own sake, I would hope not.

Re: After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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This seems strange, given that another article from TechCrunch today states that the layoffs bought them very minimal runway. https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/12/soundshroud/ > Instead, sources at SoundCloud tell TechCrunch that founders Alex Ljung and Eric Wahlforss confessed the layoffs only saved the company enough money to have runway “until Q4” — which begins in just 50 days. > A core question from staff during th…

If they actually thought a hiring freeze would actually show weakness, then they deserve what they got. Not being transparent with employees basically shows these two aren't suited to motivate or lead anyone.

My take on the matter too, particularly the hiring freeze thing. Yeesh.

Re: After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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post #32

The biggest problem is what the article touches on, loss of the best employees. They kept who they thought were key, but the best employees, the ones who really move the needle and have lots of other opportunities are out the door first. Losing your best talent means time to market goes up for new products and quality goes down. It's also really hard to get top talent again. This makes a bad situation far worse and i…

At the same time, Netflix discovered that keeping only the good one accelerate your time to market and productivity by a huge factor.

Re: After big layoffs SoundCloud founder says its strategy is to ‘take back control’

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post #44

They should start begging for money, Wikipedia style. I'd happily pay $50-$100 a year for a service I use for like 10 hours a day (I already pay di.fm something like that).

That's how charities, not businesses work.

Every time a company raises a round of investment they're begging for money.
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