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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

komali2 wrote: post #80
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

It's going to happen. It's not question of if, but when.

If a corporation succeeds in building General AI with enough hooks into basic infrastructure, and a loyal enough employee base, then they will have a more powerful weapon than any nuclear bomb. They can then build their own drone army that no conventional military could stand up against.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by lelandbatey »

komali2 wrote: post #203
zabana wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Can you recommend some novels ? (I'm also a cyberpunk nerd) Thanks in advance

+1 to jacquesm's suggestion, as well as pretty much the entirety of Neal Stephenson's library of work. Diamond Age and Anathem in particular. For me there's a lot of crossover between Cyberpunk/scifi, the only difference being time period, so I'd throw in the Culture series and the Revelation Space series. The Stars my Destination (grunge as fuck) Neuromancer, though I'm sure you've already read it.

A book series that's, at least to me, frighteningly close to home while also being entertaining and totally interesting in it's premise is the Nexus trilogy by Ramez Naam. You could easily read only the first book, but the trilogy was a good read for me. You can find it on Amazon here:

https://www.amazon.com/Nexus-Arc-Book-1/dp/0857662937

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

komali2 wrote: post #143
adventured wrote: post #120

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> the private sector has amassed quite a lot of power that could overstep / bypass the government entirely I understand and that's a fantasy at best, which was my point. The US Government is radically more powerful than any corporation inside of its domain. It's not even remotely close. They're more powerful than every corporation in the US combined. The moment they send federal agents to shut down Google HQ (even if…

But that's exactly my point - the US government has the kinds of enforcement power that deals with sending in troops to kick down doors and lock people in steel cages. Google has the kind of power that staves off that from even happening in the first place. The US government isn't a singular entity, it is comprised of several hundred individually powerful people. Three branches, plus several military branches, each w…

I don't think anyone would bother with guns. Order ISPs switch off access to Google's servers and CDNs, order power regulators cut off their power, freeze their bank accounts (as well as those of the executive, employees and vendors) and declare them insurrectionists. If Google truly tried to act with insurrectionist intent, I'd expect (and want) our government to react forcefully.

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Post by fuckthissite »

reitanqild wrote: post #163
kingbirdy wrote: post #97

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But they'd just be censoring themselves

Yep. That was the point I guess. Sometimes it seems easier to communicate something by stating the opposite and let people work out themselves why this is a bad idea.

work out. oh you sad fuck

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by scierama »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

> "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products"

> Is this an insane idea? Yep.

It sounds like we're in agreement on the latter, as for the former; the way it would play out is that Google Search, YouTube and Gmail would fade and successful competitors would replace them overnight.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by marksomnian »

chiefofgxbxl wrote: post #144
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #126

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This is exactly what I thought. Went to reddit.com...where's the Net Neutrality protest? Oh I just realized they made their logo a gif that looks like it loads slow...and they made a post... Went to google.com...the doodle is unrelated and I saw nothing about net neutrality on the site... Went to mozilla.org and I see absolutely nothing about it. I feel like I must be missing something here. Hackernews...looks the sa…

Agreed, this is a very poor showing of support from major websites. I remember Wikipedia doing a "black out" day, along with several other websites years back. If you visited the web page, all you saw was a black page and a quick explanation that the web could be censored if legislation were to pass. I've visited several participants' sites to see nothing. GitHub didn't have a single thing, Wikipedia: nothing, and Go…

The Wikipedia community seems to have a strong dislike [0][1][2] for anything like the SOPA blackout, partially as it's not as black-and-white as SOPA, and partially because Wikipedia directly wouldn't be affected (their site is pretty fast).

Worth noting that Wikipedia Zero [3] exists, and has been taking flak for not being the most NN-friendly initiative.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(propos...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(propos...

[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25...

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by fuckthissite »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #126
ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

This is exactly what I thought. Went to reddit.com...where's the Net Neutrality protest? Oh I just realized they made their logo a gif that looks like it loads slow...and they made a post... Went to google.com...the doodle is unrelated and I saw nothing about net neutrality on the site... Went to mozilla.org and I see absolutely nothing about it. I feel like I must be missing something here. Hackernews...looks the sa…

what do you expect. you guys circle jerk each other without paying attention to what people want. if you wanted net nuetrality, be nicer to people you fucking self righteous cunts

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by alexilliamson »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #212
Bakary wrote: post #167

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Technically, the US President holds the power to end life on Earth should he so desire. To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted. Even Comcast's power seems rather pitiful in comparison.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted I can tell you for certain that there are dozens of safeguards. That scenario not only isn't possible, it's not plausible. Yes the President has the "codes" but those codes don't launch the missiles [1]. The scenario described is one in which there are literally nuclear warheads on a ballistic t…

I think the article you mention supports the opposing from the one you are defending: that article seems to be saying the ultimately the President can decide to ignore everyone else's judgement and launch anyway. Care to elaborate on the dozens of safeguards? Anything that could actually stop the Donald if he decided he'd had enough?

A recent radiolab episode (http://www.radiolab.org/story/nukes/) made a pretty convincing argument that any US president could on a whim destroy the world. It goes into the whole history of why that power was given to a civilian, and not the military.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by fuckthissite »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #166
mrkrabo wrote: post #152

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Why do you want to ruin the internet more for the rest of the world today?

Because I want to protect it for the whole world for the future. Netflix, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Wikipedia, Twitter, Reddit, and other major services you use which are supporting net neutrality all started as American companies. If this measure fails, it's less likely that equally good companies will come from the resulting situation. Sorry about your Internet today, but they're doing it for your Internet tomorrow…

go fuck yourself and circle jerk in th corner

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by avar »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #212
Bakary wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, the US President holds the power to end life on Earth should he so desire. To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted. Even Comcast's power seems rather pitiful in comparison.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted I can tell you for certain that there are dozens of safeguards. That scenario not only isn't possible, it's not plausible. Yes the President has the "codes" but those codes don't launch the missiles [1]. The scenario described is one in which there are literally nuclear warheads on a ballistic t…

Radiolab did an episode recently[1] which disagrees with that Bloomberg article.

They interview ex-Secretary of Defense William Perry asking him what controls there are, if any, on a crazy president just willy-nilly deciding to nuke something.

He says there's absolutely none, even if the president is in a room full of people who vehemently disagree with him he alone makes the call to launch.

1. http://www.radiolab.org/story/nukes/

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