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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

krath94 wrote: post #73
mnm1 wrote: post #13

Sorry Google (and FB, Amazon, etc.) this doesn't actually count as taking action. Not even a single link on their home page. An obscure post on a blog won't do shit. Let's stop pretending that you want net neutrality, Google, et al. Day of action my fucking ass.

Google is pissed because the Internet is now under Title II making it nearly impossible for them to lay their fiber along public roads anymore. You know how to really fuck over Comcast? Allow google to bring Fiber to every major city. But they can't because regulation.

Citation? I've seen a lot of rumored reasons for why Google is slowing / stopping their fiber rollout but I've never heard this one. What part of Title II makes it difficult for them?

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by baq »

ZainRiz wrote: post #110
baq wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To state the obvious, this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality. the culture employs special circumstances when the situation exceeds the moral capacity of contact. or to put it differently, sometimes outside forces are so strong that you either let your ethics... be flexible for while or just disappear in the annals of history. whether OP's particular action would be effective is a differe…

Therin lie dragons That's how you start thinking it's okay to drop napalm and nuclear bombs on cities since "it'll end the war faster"

yes. i've never said i think it's fine, it's just (to me) obvious that it's how some people think and how the world works due to the fact some of those people were given power to rule, or took it themselves.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by thehardsphere »

ZainRiz wrote: post #110
baq wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To state the obvious, this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality. the culture employs special circumstances when the situation exceeds the moral capacity of contact. or to put it differently, sometimes outside forces are so strong that you either let your ethics... be flexible for while or just disappear in the annals of history. whether OP's particular action would be effective is a differe…

Therin lie dragons That's how you start thinking it's okay to drop napalm and nuclear bombs on cities since "it'll end the war faster"

But that is OK if it does end the war faster, where "end the war faster" is understood to mean "millions fewer people will die"

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by Nition »

komali2 wrote: post #80
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

I love these ideas because - apart from the railgun one - the far-fetched part isn't even whether those things are possible, it's just whether anyone would want to.

The Twitter nukes one wouldn't even have to ruin trust in the platform that badly. They could say the president's account got hacked. Hell, blame the hack on China if you're already trying to start a war there.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

This is exactly what I thought.

Went to reddit.com...where's the Net Neutrality protest? Oh I just realized they made their logo a gif that looks like it loads slow...and they made a post...

Went to google.com...the doodle is unrelated and I saw nothing about net neutrality on the site...

Went to mozilla.org and I see absolutely nothing about it. I feel like I must be missing something here.

Hackernews...looks the same but slightly grayed. Oh the black bar is a link, didn't realize that. But no messages or anything obvious.

LinkedIn.com maybe? Nothing

Twitter? They have a hashtag that's trending...that's it.

Facebook? I see nothing. Not even a trending topic.

This is a very luke warm day of technology companies protesting net neutrality. I expected at least a tiny blurb on a homepage SOMEWHERE. So far Netflix and DuckDuckGo are the only large sites that I've notice actually put something on their homepage.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by robxu9 »

mnm1 wrote: post #13

Sorry Google (and FB, Amazon, etc.) this doesn't actually count as taking action. Not even a single link on their home page. An obscure post on a blog won't do shit. Let's stop pretending that you want net neutrality, Google, et al. Day of action my fucking ass.

Amazon does have a Net Neutrality link on their front page - on the right sidebar for me at least.

That being said, it all just kind of feels underwhelming.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by civilitty »

ZainRiz wrote: post #110
baq wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To state the obvious, this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality. the culture employs special circumstances when the situation exceeds the moral capacity of contact. or to put it differently, sometimes outside forces are so strong that you either let your ethics... be flexible for while or just disappear in the annals of history. whether OP's particular action would be effective is a differe…

Therin lie dragons That's how you start thinking it's okay to drop napalm and nuclear bombs on cities since "it'll end the war faster"

I think it's a bit disingenuous to compare net neutrality to a total war, regardless of the comparison made.

Anyone who doesn't subscribe absolutely to radical honesty or to a morality handed down by an all powerful being has to make these kinds of decisions in their personal life all the time and rarely do those decisions have as much impact as net neutrality. Large companies are made up of people and they shouldn't get a pass when they stand by and watch as when the very foundations of their industries are destroyed by extreme rent seeking just because they have shareholders to answer to, most of whom are in a far better position than the employees of the companies to jump ship when their investments don't behave like they'd like them to.

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