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Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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Post by wlesieutre »

kerbalspacepro wrote: post #138
Semaphor wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if it is because of weird tastes or something else. But for sites like Steam, YT, Netflix I always wish for more tuning parameters because their recommendations are all horrible. On Netflix, for example, I get recommended stuff that's similar to other things I didn't like. Amazon is often the best of them for books because their engine seems to only really value the last few things I looked at / bought a…

Regarding Amazon: "Oh, you bought a wallet? Here are twenty wallets of the exact same type but with slightly different colors that you might want to buy, too"

I told this story in the recent Amazon recommendations discussion, but I bought a pair of speaker stands from them and before it was even delivered they sent me an email saying "HEY BASED ON YOUR BROWSING HISTORY MAYBE YOU'D LIKE THESE OTHER 10 SPEAKER STANDS!"

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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Post by lanstin »

ProblemFactory wrote: post #118
watwut wrote: post #79

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I followed specifically to be informed of events. It was quite infuriating when they changed algorithm and I missed them. If I get notices from pages/groups I dont care about anymore, I either unfollow or mute the next time their post annoys me. Quite a few friends were following pages for the same reason.

> If I get notices from pages/groups I dont care about anymore, I either unfollow or mute the next time their post annoys me. I do that as well, but I think it's extremely rare among Facebook users. Everyone else I know either: * Puts up grudgingly with "spam" they no longer want to see, or eventually * Complains "Facebook is full of crap these days, I'm deleting my account". A filter algorithm is a much better exper…

What I want to read is stuff my friends have taken the trouble to type in, all of it whatever the topic. I don't want to read whatever random crap on the web they are reading or what ever. Original user generated content made Facebook and the inability to find my friends' generated content is what makes it not worth reading. I have about 1B ways to get hot memes and trending internet topics. I have relatively few ways to see how all the people in the various corners of my life are doing.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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Post by [deleted] »

ProblemFactory wrote: post #118
watwut wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I followed specifically to be informed of events. It was quite infuriating when they changed algorithm and I missed them. If I get notices from pages/groups I dont care about anymore, I either unfollow or mute the next time their post annoys me. Quite a few friends were following pages for the same reason.

> If I get notices from pages/groups I dont care about anymore, I either unfollow or mute the next time their post annoys me. I do that as well, but I think it's extremely rare among Facebook users. Everyone else I know either: * Puts up grudgingly with "spam" they no longer want to see, or eventually * Complains "Facebook is full of crap these days, I'm deleting my account". A filter algorithm is a much better exper…

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Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#144

Post by [deleted] »

ProblemFactory wrote: post #118
watwut wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I followed specifically to be informed of events. It was quite infuriating when they changed algorithm and I missed them. If I get notices from pages/groups I dont care about anymore, I either unfollow or mute the next time their post annoys me. Quite a few friends were following pages for the same reason.

> If I get notices from pages/groups I dont care about anymore, I either unfollow or mute the next time their post annoys me. I do that as well, but I think it's extremely rare among Facebook users. Everyone else I know either: * Puts up grudgingly with "spam" they no longer want to see, or eventually * Complains "Facebook is full of crap these days, I'm deleting my account". A filter algorithm is a much better exper…

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Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#145

Post by CaptSpify »

hk__2 wrote: post #140
russdill wrote: post #131

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If I watch a video I ended up not being interested in, I delete it from my watch history to avoid YouTube spamming me.

Can’t you "dislike" it instead?

I constantly get recommended more videos for something I dislike

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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Post by alistairSH »

jandrese wrote: post #137
Semaphor wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if it is because of weird tastes or something else. But for sites like Steam, YT, Netflix I always wish for more tuning parameters because their recommendations are all horrible. On Netflix, for example, I get recommended stuff that's similar to other things I didn't like. Amazon is often the best of them for books because their engine seems to only really value the last few things I looked at / bought a…

Netflix's recommendation system is only good at recommending Netflix shows now.

Or movies I watched last week. Sigh.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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Post by ryanmaclean »

crowbahr wrote: post #128
Semaphor wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if it is because of weird tastes or something else. But for sites like Steam, YT, Netflix I always wish for more tuning parameters because their recommendations are all horrible. On Netflix, for example, I get recommended stuff that's similar to other things I didn't like. Amazon is often the best of them for books because their engine seems to only really value the last few things I looked at / bought a…

Netflix, I think, has killed their own recommendation algorithm when they removed stars and made it boolean. I don't know if those buttons even do anything anymore because I think they're just matching based off demographic and who they're trying to market to now. It's recommending shows that I never would watch in a million years and giving them high matches despite me disliking most similar shows just because I'm a…

I can't agree more - I'm a huge proponent for star rating systems. I get that they are perhaps more complicated than a Boolean value, but they help me out personally.

I miss the days of "tap tap scroll four clicks" on the iPod to help me rate new music, specifically.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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Post by swenn »

crowbahr wrote: post #128
Semaphor wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if it is because of weird tastes or something else. But for sites like Steam, YT, Netflix I always wish for more tuning parameters because their recommendations are all horrible. On Netflix, for example, I get recommended stuff that's similar to other things I didn't like. Amazon is often the best of them for books because their engine seems to only really value the last few things I looked at / bought a…

Netflix, I think, has killed their own recommendation algorithm when they removed stars and made it boolean. I don't know if those buttons even do anything anymore because I think they're just matching based off demographic and who they're trying to market to now. It's recommending shows that I never would watch in a million years and giving them high matches despite me disliking most similar shows just because I'm a…

Interesting experience, I recently read an article that gave me the impression that they rather improved the system.

Excerpt from https://www.appcues.com/blog/rating-system-ux-star-thumbs/

"In addition to the new rating system, Netflix has new match percentages (up to 100%) to more accurately predict how much users will like something.

...

The new rating system received 200% more ratings in A/B tests, according to Netflix VP of Product Todd Yellin.

When it comes to rating movies and shows, stars reflect the preferences that people want to have, rather than how people actually behave. Todd gave the example of users giving 5 stars to a documentary but just 3 stars to an Adam Sandler movie that they watched over and over again. “What you do versus what you say you like are different things,” said Todd."

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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Post by jon_richards »

wlesieutre wrote: post #141
kerbalspacepro wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding Amazon: "Oh, you bought a wallet? Here are twenty wallets of the exact same type but with slightly different colors that you might want to buy, too"

I told this story in the recent Amazon recommendations discussion, but I bought a pair of speaker stands from them and before it was even delivered they sent me an email saying "HEY BASED ON YOUR BROWSING HISTORY MAYBE YOU'D LIKE THESE OTHER 10 SPEAKER STANDS!"

I've heard the argument that this prevents buyer's remorse. Not sure if it has any merit.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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Post by icebraining »

rhizome wrote: post #107
ThrustVectoring wrote: post #103

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Youtube is definitely over-weighing the last few videos. Then again, it's likely optimized for a different market segment. Especially with how many children are given tablets. Like, brief intense fascination with many subjects in general is genuinely hard to optimize for, especially when a huge portion of your market has long-lasting intense fascination with a few subjects.

YouTube would rather you fall into a trance of continuing your recent viewing habits rather than providing a personalized library. It just makes better business sense.

Why does it make better business sense?
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