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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by rm_-rf_slash » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:40 PM UTC

1: Anything can be considered a slippery slope to communism, fascism, etc

2: Your straw man argument relies on a very small subset of the US population and distracts from the issue of net neutrality.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by idlewords » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:40 PM UTC

1) Communism is a belief in the overthrow of existing power relationships through violent revolution, in which the working class seizes the means of production. Net neutrality is a regulatory proposal within an established republican system of government.

2) The 'neutrality' in net neutrality refers to not privileging traffic based on its origin. It has nothing to do with things like different connection speeds.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by MrZongle2 » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:40 PM UTC

Clearly, this day of action needs more hashtags. Maybe a building to be lit up in different colors tonight. /s

Seriously, I'm disgusted by what counts as "action" these days. This reeks of lip service, nothing more.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by colept » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:41 PM UTC

I was hoping Amazon would do something creative like offering Prime Six-Day Shipping but nope - just some graphic tossed aside so they can keep selling Fire devices.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by crush-n-spread » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:41 PM UTC

1) Net neutrality concerns whether or not it is legal for an ISP to provide more bandwidth and faster service to some websites while providing less bandwidth and speed to other websites. Net neutrality is about who gets fast service and who gets slow service, with fast service being something that can be bought. Communism has to do with ownership of the means of production. ISPs will still be owning access to the internet, so it's not communism.

2. Your ISP offering three different tiers of internet is like being able to buy three different priced cars. That is perfectly OK and has nothing to do with Net Neutrality. However, if you had to pay $3/mile to drive in one highway lane that had no speed limit, that would be like net neutrality.

It seems like you're polarized over left/right politics and don't really understand net neutrality at all.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:41 PM UTC

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by HugoDaniel » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:41 PM UTC

So the FCC chairman does not know the difference between a circuit switching network (telephone) and a packet switching network (internet). He then insists in using it as the base example for his argumentation against net neutrality...

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by scotu » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:42 PM UTC

serious question: how is net neutrality a slippery slope to communism? If I was so scared by the commies I would be more concerned about how every capitalist company is now trying to sell you services instead of goods

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by kuldeep_kap » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:42 PM UTC

Net neutrality is about getting exactly what you pay for. For example if you pay for 100MBps connection you should get 100Mbps regardless of any site you access. You don't want your ISP to decide that Netflix would stream on 20Mbps and Comcast would stream at 100Mbps. This gives us unfair advantages to certain sites which is beyond your control. Worse yet ISP can police which sites you can visit which not with absence of Net Neutrality. So this has nothing to do with communism or also not to be confused with the "right to free internet". Those are all independent topics.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by jacksnipe » Wed, Jul 12, 2017, 6:43 PM UTC

1) I suppose you could consider this "towards communism" in the sense that it takes power from individuals and gives it to "the people" (i.e., the government). However, it seems no different than utility regulation to me, and the slope certainly doesn't seem slippery (a slippery slope argument only works if each successive step begets the next one).

2) In the situation you laid out, the speed you're paying for is the same speed no matter who you are connecting to. Without net neutrality, you will get different speeds depending on who is on the other end of your connection.