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The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#71

Honestly, if FB was just me and my mom I'd probably get more value out of the site. Smaller radius is better IMO.

Pruning my friends improved my experience, but they grow back over time as people rediscover you or you make new acquaintances. I wonder if you could make a game or website that forced you to prune your facebook friends down, perhaps by looking at your social graph and telling you that you haven't messaged with a person in x years or something, or that you've never even "liked" something they posted. Some heuristics…

A game rewarding you for removing Facebook friends? Burger King did that years ago, got quite a bit of exposure thanks to it: sacrifice 10 friends, get a Whopper:

https://www.cnet.com/news/delete-10-facebook-friends-get-a-f...

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#72

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> But wasn't the feature of making yourself a "brand page" and/or having "subscribers" (which don't count toward the 5,000 friend limit) supposed to mitigate this a bit? If you have a page, Facebook wants to milk you, so they've got this weird algorithm that pushes your posts to only a small fraction of the page's followers, expecting you to start "promoting" them. Basically they screwed "organic reach". Oh, and abou…

> If you have a page, Facebook wants to milk you, so they've got this weird algorithm that pushes your posts to only a small fraction of the page's followers, expecting you to start "promoting" them. While this does enable Facebook to force brands to buy advertising, it is also an user-friendly change. Nobody who I have spoken to about this thinks that "like/follow" = "I want to see everything they post" on Facebook.…

I wasn't aware that facebook does partial publishing/pushing from Pages.

I'm co-admin for an org's official Page (and Group). Our bylaws require advance announcement of various things, like meetings and resolutions. We've been using our official Page just like our mail listserv, assuming all our subscribers are getting all of our announcements.

Frankly, this sucks. Minimally, it violates the UX design principle of least astonishment.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#73
post #61

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Someone should make a browser extension that will automatically (or provides a button to quickly) load the cached version when a site is down Edit: I just made a super simple bookmarklet that does it: http://mikelyons.org/2017/06/12/Google-Cache-Javascript-Shor...

Perhaps this is what you are looking for: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/google-cache-brows...

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Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#74
post #63

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Someone should make a browser extension that will automatically (or provides a button to quickly) load the cached version when a site is down Edit: I just made a super simple bookmarklet that does it: http://mikelyons.org/2017/06/12/Google-Cache-Javascript-Shor...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14505739

Oops, didn't see this until after I made mine. Thanks!

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#75

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> But wasn't the feature of making yourself a "brand page" and/or having "subscribers" (which don't count toward the 5,000 friend limit) supposed to mitigate this a bit? If you have a page, Facebook wants to milk you, so they've got this weird algorithm that pushes your posts to only a small fraction of the page's followers, expecting you to start "promoting" them. Basically they screwed "organic reach". Oh, and abou…

> If you have a page, Facebook wants to milk you, so they've got this weird algorithm that pushes your posts to only a small fraction of the page's followers, expecting you to start "promoting" them. While this does enable Facebook to force brands to buy advertising, it is also an user-friendly change. Nobody who I have spoken to about this thinks that "like/follow" = "I want to see everything they post" on Facebook.…

Well "like" and "follow" should be different things. I follow users on instagram/strava because I want to see what they do. I like the content they post when... well, when it pleases me, or I want it to get some more attention. I deleted my facebook account after nearly 10 years with the service, but I hated the decision they made to show content from pages you've liked (often inadvertently when you meant to like a post rather than the page). I fought against facebook for the last few months as I kept "unliking" every page/profile I had ever liked, but it was hard to keep that clean.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#76

Honestly, if FB was just me and my mom I'd probably get more value out of the site. Smaller radius is better IMO.

Pruning my friends improved my experience, but they grow back over time as people rediscover you or you make new acquaintances. I wonder if you could make a game or website that forced you to prune your facebook friends down, perhaps by looking at your social graph and telling you that you haven't messaged with a person in x years or something, or that you've never even "liked" something they posted. Some heuristics…

A "friendship equity" feature of a combined decay rate (half-life) and boosting factor would be nice.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#77

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The problem he is referring to is not that facebook narrows down the audience based off of likes. His problem is that his mom, and consequently other family members, always immediately likes his posts regardless of the content which narrows the audience down to his family members instead of the intended audience. He wants Facebook to take into account that the person liking his post is his mom before narrowing down t…

But the content is not intended for his mom, so he shouldn't have targeted it to everybody.

Sure it is. He even says that he later changes the settings to his mom sees it. He wants his mom to see it, he just doesn't want Facebook to get the wrong interpretation by his mom liking it.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#78

I'd like Facebook to have an option to see all posts, without filtering, just as they're posted. It's not hard, it's a simple UX, but it's just not there.

It's probably a core part of their scalability that they never have to produce a complete list of posts. Every fetch is on best effort basis within a small time constraint.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

#79

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> But wasn't the feature of making yourself a "brand page" and/or having "subscribers" (which don't count toward the 5,000 friend limit) supposed to mitigate this a bit? If you have a page, Facebook wants to milk you, so they've got this weird algorithm that pushes your posts to only a small fraction of the page's followers, expecting you to start "promoting" them. Basically they screwed "organic reach". Oh, and abou…

> If you have a page, Facebook wants to milk you, so they've got this weird algorithm that pushes your posts to only a small fraction of the page's followers, expecting you to start "promoting" them. While this does enable Facebook to force brands to buy advertising, it is also an user-friendly change. Nobody who I have spoken to about this thinks that "like/follow" = "I want to see everything they post" on Facebook.…

I followed specifically to be informed of events. It was quite infuriating when they changed algorithm and I missed them. If I get notices from pages/groups I dont care about anymore, I either unfollow or mute the next time their post annoys me.

Quite a few friends were following pages for the same reason.

Re: The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem

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post #66

Yesterday I sent one of my friends a link to an old - 4.5 years old, from 2013 dec - entry he wrote as a Facebook note. There were 70+ likes, 30+ commenters and 110 comments on it. He added a new comment yesterday - I only saw it, because I randomly decided to read through the comments. Those who commented on it should have received a notification - well, in the end, 2 people got something. This is how you effectivel…

On the other hand, I get more (and less relevant) notifications the less I’m active.

$friendINeverTalkTo has commented on $PostByPageIDontFollow is NOT something I want to get notified about. Neither is

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