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Re: Tiny Apps

#11

Post by shliachtx »

snarf21 wrote: post #10
seibelj wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I've heard, Epic is the best out of all the EMR (electronic medical record) software platforms!

Quite the back handed compliment! They are one of the better ones but the bar is extremely low.

I wonder why this field hasn't been disrupted yet. It seems ripe for it. Established players. Arcane systems. Poor performance. From what I've heard from employees at Epic their software is something of a nightmare.

Is it just something waiting to happen? Is there a company that is already doing this? It could probably be done one independent hospital at a time. Eventually you could get a small network, etc. I understand there is quite a bit of complexity involved, but isn't that what technology excels at?

Edit: Did I forget to mention expensive? These systems are not cheap, and usually involve engineers spending weeks or months onsite setting it up. That means there should be a significant of margin to cut out for competition, and/or healthy revenue for a startup, at least further down the road.

Re: Tiny Apps

#12

Post by derblitzmann »

shliachtx wrote: post #11
snarf21 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite the back handed compliment! They are one of the better ones but the bar is extremely low.

I wonder why this field hasn't been disrupted yet. It seems ripe for it. Established players. Arcane systems. Poor performance. From what I've heard from employees at Epic their software is something of a nightmare. Is it just something waiting to happen? Is there a company that is already doing this? It could probably be done one independent hospital at a time. Eventually you could get a small network, etc. I unders…

(not an expert in this field obviously) I believe that it might have to do with HIPAA compliance and the red tape overhead that scares away potential disruption. But I imagine if someone were willing and able to disrupt it, they'd make money hand over fist.

Re: Tiny Apps

#13

Post by bluetwo »

shliachtx wrote: post #11
snarf21 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite the back handed compliment! They are one of the better ones but the bar is extremely low.

I wonder why this field hasn't been disrupted yet. It seems ripe for it. Established players. Arcane systems. Poor performance. From what I've heard from employees at Epic their software is something of a nightmare. Is it just something waiting to happen? Is there a company that is already doing this? It could probably be done one independent hospital at a time. Eventually you could get a small network, etc. I unders…

Weeks or months... Try 2 years.

Re: Tiny Apps

#14

Post by iliketosleep »

Progress is modern computing has only been exceeded in the increased in bloatware! Using these lean and mean apps on modern hardware is heavenly - the way I imagined, 10 years ago, of how things would be today.

Re: Tiny Apps

#16

Post by seibelj »

shliachtx wrote: post #11
snarf21 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite the back handed compliment! They are one of the better ones but the bar is extremely low.

I wonder why this field hasn't been disrupted yet. It seems ripe for it. Established players. Arcane systems. Poor performance. From what I've heard from employees at Epic their software is something of a nightmare. Is it just something waiting to happen? Is there a company that is already doing this? It could probably be done one independent hospital at a time. Eventually you could get a small network, etc. I unders…

I work in an industry you wouldn't think is similar (telecom). It's hard to establish trust, it's more complex than you think, it's more regulated than you think, more rules than you think, closing deals takes longer than you think (6 months is long? Try multi-year sales cycles!), big companies will ruthlessly undercut you to destroy you at their own expense...

You can't just slap together a single page javascript app and close a deal. You need credibility, capital, time, solid engineers... and most strong engineers will avoid EMR software like the plague given the riches they can make in other areas in 1/10 the time.

I wish everyone the best of luck, it needs to happen, but it will be hard.

Re: Tiny Apps

#17

Post by Lerc »

When I see the specs of things like the Raspberry Pi and Apps like this, it makes me wonder how great a system like that could be.

Executable size may not be the best measure of these things though. Ram usage of some things can be quite huge. tinyapps.org seems to avoid this by disallowing things needing runtimes, which while not the cause of RAM bloat, often tends to be a common factor.

I'd actually like to see an interface for micro controller style apps. Like An 8 bit AVR emulator that could do some kernel syscalls to the hosted environment. It would allow for a class of apps to be written that would have a fixed memory footprint. There's some Irony here in that this would also be a runtime.

I once had a volume knob widget on my task bar that used 4 meg of ram. Somehow I feel it could have been done better.

Re: Tiny Apps

#20

Post by rebootthesystem »

Lerc wrote: post #17

When I see the specs of things like the Raspberry Pi and Apps like this, it makes me wonder how great a system like that could be. Executable size may not be the best measure of these things though. Ram usage of some things can be quite huge. tinyapps.org seems to avoid this by disallowing things needing runtimes, which while not the cause of RAM bloat, often tends to be a common factor. I'd actually like to see an i…

Writing tiny apps for small constrained systems isn't difficult at all. That's what we did thirty years ago. One neat trick is to use threaded interpretive languages (FORTH).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/4_Pi

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/flyout/flyfeature...

The minute you start touching modern languages and OS's things become significantly more difficult to shrink into small platforms.

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