Why Won’t China Help with North Korea? Remember 1956
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Why Won’t China Help with North Korea? Remember 1956
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#2>Mao claimed Kim, who “still does the Stalin thing,” appalled him. “He brooks no word of disagreement and kills all who tries to oppose him,” Mao said.
That's rich.
EDIT: For the assholes who put this comment at -2, have a history lesson: Mao Zedong was responsible for approximately 40 million deaths.[0][1][2]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong
[1] http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Mao
[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...
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#3As a Korean American, this conflict has always been so strange to me.
My family members fought in this war, my grandfather ran from his village, in the middle of the night, to join the US-led Korean Army so that he wouldn't be conscripted by NK as they moved south. My mom's father joined as an intelligence officer and later continued on to work in the middle east for the US gov. That left his wife (my grandmother) to raise a family of 4 by herself in a war torn country. My entire cultural experience has been defined by this "police action". My grandfather who fled would later be awarded the Korean equivalent of a bronze star and would suffer from PTSD for the rest of his life. He was violent towards his children (including my father) often, but was able to raise a future for my family nonetheless.
Now as a native-born US citizen, the narrative I hear is of doom and gloom, NK is just weeks, if not hours, away from nuking me in SF. China is the only way to get them to stop and they aren't helping.
What I hear from my Native-born Korean friends is a lot of nonchalance. The North Korean threat is all bluster, no action. Nothing is ever going to happen. They are going to threaten, maybe shoot some artillery, but no major offensive ever happens.
All of this makes for an incredibly confusing experience. I feel like we are approaching a historical precipice, but my two cultures respond with either panic or apathy.
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#4> It was in 1956 that Beijing realized it had to go easy on Pyongyang, despite Kim’s maddening obstinacy, because the alternative was to surrender the country to the Soviet influence.
Well there is no Soviet influence anymore, so how does that have relevance today?
> Like Mao in 1956, Xi is tired of North Korea, but he is keen to emphasize that China won’t crack the whip on anyone’s behalf.
So they would prefer the US go in directly? How does that benefit them? China could probably get rid of Kim and install a friendlier government and be the hero of the world.
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#5As a Korean American, this conflict has always been so strange to me. My family members fought in this war, my grandfather ran from his village, in the middle of the night, to join the US-led Korean Army so that he wouldn't be conscripted by NK as they moved south. My mom's father joined as an intelligence officer and later continued on to work in the middle east for the US gov. That left his wife (my grandmother) to…
I wonder if they'd be as nonchalant if US military support were withdrawn. It's like a school boy being nonchalant about bullies because he's friends with Conor McGregor.
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#6As a Korean American, this conflict has always been so strange to me. My family members fought in this war, my grandfather ran from his village, in the middle of the night, to join the US-led Korean Army so that he wouldn't be conscripted by NK as they moved south. My mom's father joined as an intelligence officer and later continued on to work in the middle east for the US gov. That left his wife (my grandmother) to…
Going from the similar Israeli experience (back in the bad old days of conventional state-to-state confrontation) - it's all bluster, it's never going to happen, until suddenly it does. Usually when the bluster (as in 1967) leads to an unexpected commitment to action.
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#7As a Korean American, this conflict has always been so strange to me. My family members fought in this war, my grandfather ran from his village, in the middle of the night, to join the US-led Korean Army so that he wouldn't be conscripted by NK as they moved south. My mom's father joined as an intelligence officer and later continued on to work in the middle east for the US gov. That left his wife (my grandmother) to…
> What I hear from my Native-born Korean friends is a lot of nonchalance. The North Korean threat is all bluster, no action. Nothing is ever going to happen. They are going to threaten, maybe shoot some artillery, but no major offensive ever happens.
I bet that since they live it, if they freaked out they would have no chance of having normal lives, so they just blow it off as a form of cognitive dissonance. If that is the case, I really wouldn't blame them.
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#8> It was in 1956 that Beijing realized it had to go easy on Pyongyang, despite Kim’s maddening obstinacy, because the alternative was to surrender the country to the Soviet influence. Well there is no Soviet influence anymore, so how does that have relevance today? > Like Mao in 1956, Xi is tired of North Korea, but he is keen to emphasize that China won’t crack the whip on anyone’s behalf. So they would prefer the U…
The US can't go in without either a direct act of war by North Korea or a UN resolution, anything else would allow China to declare war and that would be the US start of WWIII.
Removing Kim would just provoke a new round of discussion about a unified Korea an China loosening control over Burma and other areas. They would be a five minute hero with negative long term results.
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#9Total control gives North Korea all of the leverage. This is the part that the current administration doesn't understand. Tweeting about your policy goals undermines the US position.
Why should China give a hoot about intervening and giving Trump a win?
North Korea is a total dictatorship -- they have all of the time in the world. China wants to be a recognized global power. They won't take any action until they can do so while undermining the United States (not Trump, which is child's play). Our loss is their gain.
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#10> Mao claimed Kim, who “still does the Stalin thing,” appalled him. “He brooks no word of disagreement and kills all who tries to oppose him,” Mao said. That's rich. EDIT: For the assholes who put this comment at -2, have a history lesson: Mao Zedong was responsible for approximately 40 million deaths.[0][1][2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong [1] http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Mao [2] https://www.wash…
It is even richer considering Mao was an ardent follower of Stalin, and hated Khrushchev for disavowing Stalin's legacy (which, of course, would later lead to the Sino-soviet split).