I also had to vouch it back, there appears to be a concerted effort to flag this.
I hope it's only being flagged because it's not directly related to technology. Any other reason would make me quite sad.
Lifesaving advice from a black woman held at gunpoint by police
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Re: Lifesaving advice from a black woman held at gunpoint by police
#12This article makes a lot of claims about innocent black people being gunned down by police, but is there any actual evidence of this happening disproportionately to white people? Last year I trawled the 2015 Washington Post police shooting dataset and couldn't find any evidence, and a couple months later a black Harvard economist released a paper saying he couldn't find any evidence in the data he looked at. Between…
Even if you believe that, the two core points of the experience stand: > My behavior is how everyone should act in those situations: comply, survive and complain later. > I don’t have de-escalation training. I’m the one being held at gunpoint. I’m the one thinking my life could end if he panics. Yet, I’m the one who must remain calm. The legal system is asking untrained civilians to de-escalate panicky cops.
He acknowledges that in his comment
> The story and its interest doesn't hinge on this (in)accuracy ...
Re: Lifesaving advice from a black woman held at gunpoint by police
#13The most alarming thing about this story, apart from the suspected racism, is the sheer amount of confirmation bias on display from someone who is quite prepared to shoot you.
She offered corroborating evidence from the get go, and even the 911 dispatcher confirms her story, yet the officer is too busy waving his piece around to get off his power trip.
I'd be mad too. Some element of this volatile combo of deadly weapons and unprofessional police behavior has to change. Preferably both.
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#14I also had to vouch it back, there appears to be a concerted effort to flag this.
I too just vouched it back (after seeing this comment so we didn't click vouch simultaneously). If you're flagging this story, perhaps you could leave a comment here about why? Edit: And while posting this comment it got reflagged/revouched again...
I vouched it back after you. And now it's flagged again...
Weirdly it's completely gone from the front page (and all subsequent pages). I assume that's not normal for flags? It was at #4 only a moment ago, and it was flagged then...
edit: and now it's back, on page 2 this time. The invisible hand of moderation?
Re: Lifesaving advice from a black woman held at gunpoint by police
#15I also had to vouch it back, there appears to be a concerted effort to flag this.
I too just vouched it back (after seeing this comment so we didn't click vouch simultaneously). If you're flagging this story, perhaps you could leave a comment here about why? Edit: And while posting this comment it got reflagged/revouched again...
This seems like a long-standing country-specific societal problem to me:
> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.
Re: Lifesaving advice from a black woman held at gunpoint by police
#16This article makes a lot of claims about innocent black people being gunned down by police, but is there any actual evidence of this happening disproportionately to white people? Last year I trawled the 2015 Washington Post police shooting dataset and couldn't find any evidence, and a couple months later a black Harvard economist released a paper saying he couldn't find any evidence in the data he looked at. Between…
You didn't research very hard.
From the Washington Post[0]:
> White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.
If you look at fatal police shootings so far this year[1], the numbers are the same.
You should provide a link to the Harvard study you mentioned.
Here[2] is one from Yale which someone once touted to me, which supports your claims. But they only used data from a limited number of police departments in Houston, TX. I'm not sure why anyone would look at that and not the national numbers. In the paper, of their own methods they say, "In essence, this is equivalent to analyzing labor market discrimination on a set of firms willing to supply a researcher with their Human Resources data!".
There are many places to find this information online. It is a fact: black people are shot and killed more often by police than white people.
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/1...
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shoo...
[2] https://law.yale.edu/system/files/area/workshop/leo/leo16_fr...
Re: Lifesaving advice from a black woman held at gunpoint by police
#17How is property worth pointing a gun at someone over? It's a car. Cars can be replaced.
It is true that you can replace your car, but, if something is stolen, you rarely get the full value back. If you are living paycheck to paycheck, getting a car stolen is a matter of life and death.
However, the real problem was pulling a gun FIRST instead of hollering across the road or from a porch. A street punk would normally run--somebody legitimate will respond.
This idiot cop is actually lucky she wasn't a true violent criminal who had a hidden lookout. Getting that close with a drawn gun if there was a hidden lookout would have gotten him shot.
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#18I also had to vouch it back, there appears to be a concerted effort to flag this.
The data don't suggest this. Users flagging the post might be weighing the likelihood of an informative, substantive discussion against a flame-fest. The latter isn't just distracting, it can cause actual harm, and flagging is a self-protective tool for the community. When moderators notice threads like these, we can turn the flags off (at least temporarily) to see how the thread shapes up.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14748443 and marked it off-topic.
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#19Thank you, this was an interesting read. On the tangent of arbitrary and unneeded flagging, there seems to be quite a great deal of it lately... it's not improving the site. After I got off work, I tried to find a story that I'd noticed earlier and wanted to comment on, but it was completely gone from not just the front page but everywhere. A completely benign, tech-related story. Makes no sense: https://news.ycombin…
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Re: Lifesaving advice from a black woman held at gunpoint by police
#20This article makes a lot of claims about innocent black people being gunned down by police, but is there any actual evidence of this happening disproportionately to white people? Last year I trawled the 2015 Washington Post police shooting dataset and couldn't find any evidence, and a couple months later a black Harvard economist released a paper saying he couldn't find any evidence in the data he looked at. Between…
You didn't research very hard. From the Washington Post[0]: > White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black…
I believe The Guardian also ran a project to count people murdered by law enforcement because there are no strict requirements to record this across the country:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/...