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Ten years after first shipping Openmoko Neo1973

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Re: Ten years after first shipping Openmoko Neo1973

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Post by Nursie »

Rjevski wrote: post #47
Nursie wrote: post #38

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>> Until this changes we won't see much progress of open-source in the real world. What's the "real world" here? Open Source software has made great strides in the mobile and server/datacentre space. Open source UIs used by the general public, less so sure. But then one could argue that most of the UI frameworks people use these days are open source and written in JS...

Real world, as in non-technical users. Yes, open-source libraries are indeed everywhere - I was talking about a complete open-source OS, like a Linux distro. Sorry for the confusion.

>> I was talking about a complete open-source OS, like a Linux distro

Linux distros are huge in the datacentre and server farm, and AFAICT Android is open source....

But I do know what you're getting at, and Openmoko had a huge problem with UI/UX - it's not even that it was a bad UX, it's that the underlying platform was constantly shifting so radically that there wasn't a good base to build UX on!

Re: Ten years after first shipping Openmoko Neo1973

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Post by mikekchar »

audi100quattro wrote: post #50
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #49

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That sounds like me, although I eventually found my way to tiling window managers (xmonad for a while, now stumpwm as it's written in my favorite language)

Once I had compiz working, it's been gnome exclusively. Fluxbox was easy to configure with multiple monitors and customize in general. Just tried xmonad with xmonad --replace, and crashed X. Which has been my only experience with xmonad honestly. Edit: I do like gtile and some other gnome extensions.

I should say that I actually like quite a bit about GNOME. I'm even a fan of mutter and GNOME shell (especially with gtile). I just wish I could decouple it from the rest of GNOME.

I run xmonad at the moment. The learning curve is huge if you don't know Haskell. It took me ages to get it set up and working. But after I learned Haskell, it's really very nice.

Re: Ten years after first shipping Openmoko Neo1973

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Post by ekianjo »

wolfgke wrote: post #29
ekianjo wrote: post #28

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The Pyra s overheating problems on the sandwhiched SOC have not been resolved at all and now they are even considering adding a fan so late in dev stage. Far from finished I tell you.

> The Pyra s overheating problems on the sandwhiched SOC have not been resolved at all and now they are even considering adding a fan so late in dev stage. I'm watching the Pyra project very closely, but I have never heard of these problems. Can you give me a source on this?

I know several folks who are actively working on the Pyra prototypes in hand and who voiced the exact same concern.

Re: Ten years after first shipping Openmoko Neo1973

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Post by ekianjo »

dTal wrote: post #43
ekianjo wrote: post #28

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The Pyra s overheating problems on the sandwhiched SOC have not been resolved at all and now they are even considering adding a fan so late in dev stage. Far from finished I tell you.

The Pyra cannot thermally sustain unthrottled operation indefinitely. Neither can any modern smartphone. This isn't regarded as a problem and definitely no one is considering adding a fan (in fact the cases are slated for mass-production this month). Where did you get this idea?

The cases were stated for mass production a year ago already yet everything gets pushed bacl every now and then for tweaking. I would not bet on anythIng releasing in this year.

Re: Ten years after first shipping Openmoko Neo1973

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Post by audi100quattro »

mikekchar wrote: post #52
audi100quattro wrote: post #50

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Once I had compiz working, it's been gnome exclusively. Fluxbox was easy to configure with multiple monitors and customize in general. Just tried xmonad with xmonad --replace, and crashed X. Which has been my only experience with xmonad honestly. Edit: I do like gtile and some other gnome extensions.

I should say that I actually like quite a bit about GNOME. I'm even a fan of mutter and GNOME shell (especially with gtile). I just wish I could decouple it from the rest of GNOME. I run xmonad at the moment. The learning curve is huge if you don't know Haskell. It took me ages to get it set up and working. But after I learned Haskell, it's really very nice.

I do like the vim-ness of xmonad in this video, and the tabs, and context awarness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70IxjLEmomg

Will need to work on getting these features through xmonad, or something else. gtile itself seems to be js.

Re: Ten years after first shipping Openmoko Neo1973

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Post by DrMickeyLauer »

zphds wrote: post #48
syedkarim wrote: post #20

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Were you working for Sean and Harold?

Mickey was my mentor and didn't get a chance to directly work with Sean and Harold. My project was to build APIs in Vala to control the hardware (volume, screen brightness, etc) through DBus. Was a great learning experience but could see the ominous signs towards the end of my summer. Got a device to hack on and the fact that I could SSH into a phone and have a shell to goof around was exciting back then. Android was…

And you did a really good job! :-)

Re: Ten years after first shipping Openmoko Neo1973

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Post by zphds »

DrMickeyLauer wrote: post #56
zphds wrote: post #48

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Mickey was my mentor and didn't get a chance to directly work with Sean and Harold. My project was to build APIs in Vala to control the hardware (volume, screen brightness, etc) through DBus. Was a great learning experience but could see the ominous signs towards the end of my summer. Got a device to hack on and the fact that I could SSH into a phone and have a shell to goof around was exciting back then. Android was…

And you did a really good job! :-)

Haha! Thanks Mickey! Was a fun summer.
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