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Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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Re: Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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Post by Floegipoky »

arkitaip wrote: post #18
autokad wrote: post #16

i remember watching ww II battle documentaries, and they would be talking about a battle, say battle of the budge. and I would be like 'wait a second, that stock video footage was a corsair shooting a drone. then it hit me that almost all of the video shown on these things is just for aesthetics / effect and not actual footage from the topic in question. then it hit me, the news was actually doing the same thing! lik…

It's the equivalent of tech's hacker baddie wearing sunglasses and a hoodie in a dark room with menacing green letters on the monitor.

Somebody tried to explain evil mode to the writers but they didn't quite get it.

Re: Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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Post by Chaebixi »

munificent wrote: post #57
VLM wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also went full on Jesus some years back. They're firmly in the blue collar reality TV camp now, its mostly truck drivers, pawn shops, and surprisingly, blacksmiths. Sorta like how the Sci Fi channel was all about pro wrestling, fantasy, action movies, pretty much anything but science fiction. When I was a little kid (a long time ago) the snarky wisdom was if a country had "democratic" in its name, it wasn't. The…

I think the main driver of this is simply the changing demographics of TV viewers. Ever since the rise of the Internet, social media, and smartphones, traditional television viewing hours have been plummeting for some demographics. The young and affluent are moving away from TV, and the poor and aging are not. Programming reflects that demographic shift.

> I think the main driver of this is simply the changing demographics of TV viewers. Ever since the rise of the Internet, social media, and smartphones, traditional television viewing hours have been plummeting for some demographics.

No. This trend predates the full development of most of that. IIRC, TLC ("The Learning Channel") went from educational stuff (like videos of surgeries) to full-on home improvement over the course of the 90s. The internet in 1999 was GeoCities and email, not social media and smartphones.

What really happened was these channels started out programming to a little niche audience, then they realized there was a lot more ratings and money programming to the lowest common denominator. In TLC's case, I think it started with some husband and wife home improvement show and snowballed from there.

Re: Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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Post by WalterBright »

There's no particular mystery. Navigation in those days was rudimentary - not good enough to fly long distances across the Pacific and try to hit a tiny island at the limit of your fuel.

She missed the island, ran out of fuel, and crashed into the Pacific.

I saw a documentary on her long ago, and she was known to be sloppy in navigation, careless in handling the airplane, arrogant in dealing with her navigator, and would take unnecessary risks with the weather. It's all a recipe for disaster when taking a high risk flight.

It's all too easy to die in an airplane if you don't have a mania for doing it perfectly every time. People also had a hard time believing JFK Jr died because of a perfectly mundane mistake on a routine flight.

Re: Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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Post by JBReefer »

flippyhead wrote: post #3

Besides a couple national newspapers I pretty much don't read or watch anything online or on TV anymore that purports to be factual. This kind of thing is just too common, I've completely lost trust in a lot of the media available to me.

Isn't that s very serious issue? I absolutely agree that journalistic/non-fiction integrity has collapsed in the post-print world, but what can we do about it?

When your choice is Vox or Breitbart, that's kind of a turd sandwich.

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Post by shawnbaden »

WalterBright wrote: post #73

There's no particular mystery. Navigation in those days was rudimentary - not good enough to fly long distances across the Pacific and try to hit a tiny island at the limit of your fuel. She missed the island, ran out of fuel, and crashed into the Pacific. I saw a documentary on her long ago, and she was known to be sloppy in navigation, careless in handling the airplane, arrogant in dealing with her navigator, and w…

This reminded me of a passage on pilot checklists from The Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande:

> Commercial pilots have been using checklists for decades. Gawande traces this back to a fly-off at Wright Field, Ohio, in 1935, when the Army Air Force was choosing its new bomber. Boeing's entry, the B-17, would later be built by the thousands, but on that first flight it took off, stalled, crashed and burned. The new airplane was complicated, and the pilot, who was highly experienced, had forgotten a routine step. > > From http://old.seattletimes.com/html/books/2010737113_br08checkl...

Re: Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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Post by ojilles »

ryandrake wrote: post #26
arkitaip wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the equivalent of tech's hacker baddie wearing sunglasses and a hoodie in a dark room with menacing green letters on the monitor.

Think about how much inaccuracy and nonsense you can point out (because you are an expert) any time you see/read mainstream reporting on technology. Now extrapolate that to other areas of reporting. It's hard to know what to believe or who's credible.

Gell-Mann Amnesia effect?

http://www.omsj.org/blogs/gell-mann-effect

Re: Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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Post by roryisok »

indulgent wrote: post #67

No one ever wants to remember that a couple years after she disappeared, pieces of a plane just like hers were found on an island a few 10's of miles short of her next stop. At the same spot the skeletal remains of a man and a woman were found with personal effects known to be hers. Someone (probably the family) wanted to keep that 'mystery' going with what was probably denial at first but became their own cash cow l…

Nothing about that on Wikipedia. Have you a source please?

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Post by Steko »

phkahler wrote: post #22
phkahler wrote: post #20

The best part is the photo credit: >> The woman said to resemble pilot Amelia Earhart is seen sitting on the dock in the centre of the picture. Photograph: Reuters So Reuters is falsely taking credit for a photo when they didn't know its origin. Journalistic integrity is long dead.

Oh shit there's this: >> The documentary, hosted by former FBI executive assistant director Shawn Henry, also alleges a cover-up, claiming that the US government knew of her whereabouts but did nothing to rescue her. So (former) government officials are promoting false notions of government conspiracies. It's all theater folks. We are being manipulated by everyone.

Interestingly enough, Shawn Henry was the head of the FBI Cyber division and, after leaving, became President of Services at CrowdStrike which was involved in investigating the DNC hack by the Russians.

Re: Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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Post by cag_ii »

mcherm wrote: post #69
indulgent wrote: post #67

No one ever wants to remember that a couple years after she disappeared, pieces of a plane just like hers were found on an island a few 10's of miles short of her next stop. At the same spot the skeletal remains of a man and a woman were found with personal effects known to be hers. Someone (probably the family) wanted to keep that 'mystery' going with what was probably denial at first but became their own cash cow l…

>At the same spot the skeletal remains of a man and a woman were found with personal effects known to be hers. I hadn't heard that. Do you have any references?

Assuming the OP is referencing the "Gardner Island hypothesis", there's a couple of references on the wikipedia page synopsis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Earhart#Speculation_on_...

This one in particular is an interesting read:

https://tighar.org/Publications/TTracks/14_2/14_2bones.pdf

Re: Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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Post by roryisok »

snickerbockers wrote: post #70
notadoc wrote: post #66

Is this suggesting that the same TV network which airs a show called "ANCIENT ALIENS" would have some completely inaccurate and poorly researched easily debunked claim on one of their TV shows? What's next? Is some blogger going to reveal to the world that Seinfeld and Star Trek aren't real too??

>What's next? Is some blogger going to reveal to the world that Seinfeld and Star Trek aren't real too?? On the contrary, this means that the episode of Voyager where Amelia Earhart was revealed to be transported to the Delta Quadrant can still happen.

Give us the 37s!
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