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Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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I'm pretty sympathetic to the ideals behind Distributism[0]. I just don't know, particularly, how to make it work usefully with sectors that benefit from economies of scale (like ISPs) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism

You should look into various flavors of anarchism, like Syndicalism, that have tried to answer that question.

Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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Every system has problems. Capitalism is the best we have found at managing resources at scale. The problem of course is that wealth tends to create wealth, which causes wealth to accumulate at the top. This leads to a completely distorted economy, civil unrest, and eventually a crash. The usual solution is to task a government with making sure that wealth is taken from the top and reinjected at the bottom to keep th…

Oh, but business interests are always complaining. They face no price or consequence for griping. They set up TV networks to do 24 hour pissing & moaning, and they call it "news."

What blows my mind is that the middle class and the poor who should know better, are simply to damned lazy to stand up for themselves. And many of them simply want a strongman to tell them what to do. That is, when they're not fantasizing that they'll be allowed into the club of the rich if they only provide enough fealty. It's a completely warped populace.

Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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Socialists/Communists not satisfied with 200 million+ deaths, must want to hit an even 1 billion. Blows my mind people can even be calling for socialism while we have a real time implosion going on in Venezuela right now. It's ending like every other socialist regime in history, cannibalism, famine, riots, and murder. Meanwhile one of the United State's biggest problem is obesity due to being so prosperous. Actually…

Capitalism has caused hundreds of millions of deaths as well, without the same military interference that socialist countries have experienced. Your analysis needs a lot more nuance.

Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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Socialists/Communists not satisfied with 200 million+ deaths, must want to hit an even 1 billion. Blows my mind people can even be calling for socialism while we have a real time implosion going on in Venezuela right now. It's ending like every other socialist regime in history, cannibalism, famine, riots, and murder. Meanwhile one of the United State's biggest problem is obesity due to being so prosperous. Actually…

The news must be covering up the ongoing massacres in Norway.

Just a reminder -> social democracy is not socialism.

Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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Socialists/Communists not satisfied with 200 million+ deaths, must want to hit an even 1 billion. Blows my mind people can even be calling for socialism while we have a real time implosion going on in Venezuela right now. It's ending like every other socialist regime in history, cannibalism, famine, riots, and murder. Meanwhile one of the United State's biggest problem is obesity due to being so prosperous. Actually…

The news must be covering up the ongoing massacres in Norway.

1. Those countries are all capitalist economies, some with more economic freedom than the US. They can't be used to defend socialism/communism

2. We're on HN so we all now about scaling. There's a big difference between 5 million and 300+ million citizens.

3. The US subsidizes those countries in terms of defense and innovation in health care. Pharma makes their profits off us while they have price controls in those other countries.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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Socialists/Communists not satisfied with 200 million+ deaths, must want to hit an even 1 billion. Blows my mind people can even be calling for socialism while we have a real time implosion going on in Venezuela right now. It's ending like every other socialist regime in history, cannibalism, famine, riots, and murder. Meanwhile one of the United State's biggest problem is obesity due to being so prosperous. Actually…

USA spends 50% of its budget on health-care and social security. Looks pretty socialist to me.

I agree, probably a big part of why the standard of living has dropped so much in recent years. We should reduce the budget significantly. Government massively missallocates resources

Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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Socialists/Communists not satisfied with 200 million+ deaths, must want to hit an even 1 billion. Blows my mind people can even be calling for socialism while we have a real time implosion going on in Venezuela right now. It's ending like every other socialist regime in history, cannibalism, famine, riots, and murder. Meanwhile one of the United State's biggest problem is obesity due to being so prosperous. Actually…

Capitalism has caused hundreds of millions of deaths as well, without the same military interference that socialist countries have experienced. Your analysis needs a lot more nuance.

Another required nuance is the difference between modern socialism, Marxism, and Stalin-Leninism. Lumping them together is like suggesting that the US has the same form of capitalism as Saudi Arabia.

No one is proposing anything remotely similar to Stalinism/USSR-esque or Nazi socialism. When people bring those things up, it's a straw man.

Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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Socialists/Communists not satisfied with 200 million+ deaths, must want to hit an even 1 billion. Blows my mind people can even be calling for socialism while we have a real time implosion going on in Venezuela right now. It's ending like every other socialist regime in history, cannibalism, famine, riots, and murder. Meanwhile one of the United State's biggest problem is obesity due to being so prosperous. Actually…

Capitalism has caused hundreds of millions of deaths as well, without the same military interference that socialist countries have experienced. Your analysis needs a lot more nuance.

Can you give me examples that come anywhere close to Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Mao's China, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc?

Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The news must be covering up the ongoing massacres in Norway.

1. Those countries are all capitalist economies, some with more economic freedom than the US. They can't be used to defend socialism/communism 2. We're on HN so we all now about scaling. There's a big difference between 5 million and 300+ million citizens. 3. The US subsidizes those countries in terms of defense and innovation in health care. Pharma makes their profits off us while they have price controls in those o…

I think you meant to respond to me, but accidentally responded to someone else.

Re: Are You Ready to Consider That Capitalism Is the Real Problem?

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There's a quip in the show "Archer" (forget exactly the words) where Mallory tells everyone something along the lines of "move up to my tax bracket and see if you keep spouting that socialist propaganda". I found it hilarious because it is true for many out there that if you suddenly find yourself moved from your minimum wage job with Obamacare insurance into a position of making a huge salary with legit benefits, you suddenly shift your position on the fairness of Capitalism and whether or not people are getting too much from the government and how they should do what you did to get ahead.

Additionally, while it certainly appears that the richer get richer and it does nothing to help those that are struggling, you have to ask yourself whether or not you'd do anything different if it were you in the position of wealth and power to change how people earn money for the work they contribute. Then you'd have to wonder if people could truly come together and share everything under extreme government over site, but why wonder when there is decades of data to prove that it doesn't work?

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