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Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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Re: Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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This reminds me of the running gag in some college movie where the first day all the students show up.

The next cut some students come to class, put a recorder on their desk and leave, then pick it up later.

Eventually there's a scene of the professor lecturing to a bunch of empty desks with just recorders.

And the final scene there's the professor's tape player playing to the student's recorders.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most interesting, engaging class I have ever had was Philip Greenspun's short database class at MIT. All day for three days, a cycle of ~15 minute lecture, ~15 minute problem sets worked by each student on their own laptop, ~15 minutes of reviewing student solutions (and, if needed, presenting the "correct" solution). I imagine that many classes could be presented in a similar format. I also imagine it would be a lot…

That sounds like an excellent format. What were the hours? I can imagine that taking a lot of planning and refinement over multiple offerings to get the timing just right on the exercises.

It was scheduled for 10-5 three days in a row, with a break for lunch, and a short break in the morning and afternoon. One of the days included a ~1-hour guest lecture from Michael Stonebraker, which did not fit into the lecture/problem set/review format. The last day fizzled out from the format a bit early, concluding with some random discussions.

Web page for the course here:

http://philip.greenspun.com/teaching/three-day-rdbms/

Re: Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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I had a laptop and left it home most of the time. And just stuck with taking notes with a pen and sitting upfront. I took lots notes. Some people claim it's pointless and distracts from learning but for me the act of taking notes is what helped solidify the concepts a better. Heck due to my horrible handwriting I couldn't even read some of the notes later. But it was still worth it. Typing them out just wasn't the sa…

As I get older, I find that physical notes help me more and more. I write in fairly neat cursive, using a fountain pen, and make it a point to never write down the words I'm hearing unless they're an important quote or something. Doing this helps me process the information while it's still fresh in my mind, which in turn leads to more thorough understanding.

Re: Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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This reminds me of the running gag in some college movie where the first day all the students show up. The next cut some students come to class, put a recorder on their desk and leave, then pick it up later. Eventually there's a scene of the professor lecturing to a bunch of empty desks with just recorders. And the final scene there's the professor's tape player playing to the student's recorders.

FYI, this gag appears exactly as described in Real Genius. I wonder if there are any other movies that use it?

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If students aren’t engaged, they aren’t going to become star pupils once you take away their distractions. Perhaps kids attend more lectures than before knowing that they can always listen in while futzing with other things (and otherwise, they may skip some of the classes entirely). The lecture format is what needs changing. You need a reason to go to class, and there was nothing worse than a professor showing slide…

It's like we never left the Middle Ages, when books were expensive and the point of lecturing was to read the book, which was the only book, or one of a few, to students, who'd then copy it down in their notebooks so they'd have at least a copy of what was in the book. These days, despite the textbook publishers' best efforts, the information is freely available (up until you run into paywalled research papers, but t…

Copying content (any by extension doing practice like mathematical problems) is scientifically proven to improve recall by orders of magnitude.

There's a reason why people demand you copy stuff down on your own.

Re: Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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I think this is a highly personal topic. As a student myself i find a laptop in class is very nice, i can type my notes faster, and organize them better. Most of my professors lectures are scatter brained and i frequently have to go back to previous section and annotate or insert new sections. With a computer i just go back and type, with a pen and paper i have to scribble, or write in the margins. Of course computer…

Some of us also have terrible handwriting, so taking notes by hand is out of the question. Though I will also surmise that they can also be a distraction.

Why is improving your handwriting out of the question?

Re: Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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The schools are so messed up in the US. Best to just educate children yourself as best you can. As for college kids, best to travel abroad.

> As for college kids, best to travel abroad.

15 of the top 20 universities in the world are in the US.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin...

Re: Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

#39
This is the same as laptops not being allowed in meetings. A company where it's common for meeting participants to "take notes" on a laptop is dysfunctional. Laptops need to be banned in meetings (and smartphones in meetings and lectures).

Also re: other comments: A video lecture is to a physical lecture what a conference call is to a proper meeting. A professor rambling for 3h is still miles better than watching the same thing on YouTube. The same holds for tv versus watching a film on a movie screen.

Zero distractions and complete immersion. Maybe VR will allow it some day.

Re: Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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If you keep your laptop open during class, you're not just distracting yourself, you're distracting everyone behind you (that's how human attention works - if you see a bright display with moving things, your attention is drawn towards it), and that's not right. That's why at my uni, there was an unspoken (de-facto) policy that if you keep your laptop open during lectures, you're sitting in the backrows, especially if you play games or do stuff like that. It worked great - I was always in the front row with pen & paper.

However, a laptop is very useful to get work done during breaks or labs when you're actually supposed to use it.

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