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How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

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Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

#21
Work for a company that has several offices that are geographically spread out. This is a good indicator that the company has already developed the necessary prereqs (good code collaboration tools, everything is a videoconference by default, annual all-company occasions, travel policies that make cross-team sessions easy) to accommodate remote work. Once you know they have the pieces in place, remote work is a really easy sell. Sell it to your manager/director, not HR.

I would not want to work remotely for a company that hasn't gotten used to distributed workers yet.

Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

#22
It was mostly persistence and luck in finding a position that matched my existing skills and interests. You'll often have a code screen as an early step (because remote jobs get hundreds of applicants in days), so getting good at those sort of problems can be helpful as well.

Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

#23
I don't know a generic solution, I just can say what I did:

1. I quit my office job.

Worked there for about 7 years. I saved some money and got unemployment benefits (60% of my previous salary) so I had 1 year to do nothing.

2. I did some OSS stuff

OSS teams are almost all remote and they love contributors. So it's not hard to find some and ... well contribute?

It's an easy way to get into a remote team.

I didn't do it for long, because I don't like maintenance dev stuff, which working on Firefox stuff basically is if you a contributor for Mozilla, haha.

3. Do some remote studying

I started a master in computer science at a remote university here in Germany. They had two mandatory programming projects I had to do with a remote team of other students.

We did much coordination via slack, hangouts etc.

This was also a good way to get into the remote workflow.

4. Post your CV online and wait

I saved money for 2 years, so after one year of OSS and remote projects, I posted my CV on some recruiting sites (Angellist, Stackoverflow, etc.) and waited.

Took 3 months till I started my first remote job. Talked to 5-6 companies. Some never called back, some took 2 months to tell me they want/don't want me.

5. Worked remote for 2 years

I worked remote for 2 years in a startup that was about 300km away from me. Went there every 2 months for a day or two. They were rather picky with their remote employees and always tried to persuade me into working in-office. One day they they lost a investor and had to let a few people go, since I was the only remote guy left, I guess they simply wanted to get rid of me, haha. So I got fired.

6. Started freelancing

With >2 years of remote experience and >10 years of general developer experience, I started freelancing.

Got 2 projects. One I found by pure luck online in some project small directory and one in the company where my girlfriend works. Both don't care how and where I work.

Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

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post #23

I don't know a generic solution, I just can say what I did: 1. I quit my office job. Worked there for about 7 years. I saved some money and got unemployment benefits (60% of my previous salary) so I had 1 year to do nothing. 2. I did some OSS stuff OSS teams are almost all remote and they love contributors. So it's not hard to find some and ... well contribute? It's an easy way to get into a remote team. I didn't do…

Unrelated, but in Germany you get unemployment benefits after you quit a job? Wow.

Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

#25
In my case I freelanced/contracted for 2 years before applying for a full remote gig. Those contract gigs gave me a diverse set of skills to show off on my resume. It did help immensely that prior to those 2 years freelancing I worked for 3 years as a intermediate dev for a company that in the last 6 months of my time there went into remote friendly. I took that opportunity to travel to Europe for 2 months which got me in the front page of one of our national newspapers. That factoid that I include in my resume catches a lot of attention and engenders a lot of trust. I've been working remotely for 6 months now a this new gig and it's been great. :)

Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

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post #23

I don't know a generic solution, I just can say what I did: 1. I quit my office job. Worked there for about 7 years. I saved some money and got unemployment benefits (60% of my previous salary) so I had 1 year to do nothing. 2. I did some OSS stuff OSS teams are almost all remote and they love contributors. So it's not hard to find some and ... well contribute? It's an easy way to get into a remote team. I didn't do…

>One day they they lost a investor and had to let a few people go, since I was the only remote guy left, I guess they simply wanted to get rid of me, haha. So I got fired.

That's my concern with fully remote work. You're not at the office, so only the people who work with you directly even know your name, and you don't form a personal connection with anyone. Even the people you work with directly have only seen you a handful of times.

When the time comes to cut someone loose, you're the obvious candidate unless your work is head-and-shoulders above the other people. It's a lot harder to fire people when you've been swapping stories about the kids and how about that game and whatever over the watercooler for any length of time.

Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

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post #23

I don't know a generic solution, I just can say what I did: 1. I quit my office job. Worked there for about 7 years. I saved some money and got unemployment benefits (60% of my previous salary) so I had 1 year to do nothing. 2. I did some OSS stuff OSS teams are almost all remote and they love contributors. So it's not hard to find some and ... well contribute? It's an easy way to get into a remote team. I didn't do…

Unrelated, but in Germany you get unemployment benefits after you quit a job? Wow.

Well, only if you apply to jobs and at least make the admins think you try to get something new.

Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

#28
Yep as been mentioned, it's obviously a lot more difficult to get remote gigs. I probably applied to around 20 places over the course of 6 months. Some I heard back from, some I declined, and most I never heard a peep. I've got almost a decade of experience too, but it's just that competitive.

- You need to stand out, have a decent Github profile and/or solid code samples that you can share

- Demonstrate the ability to work autonomously

- Be patient, it takes time.

It's also worth mentioning that if you do get rejected ask them what you can work on. Helps to know what you can do to bet better and get a remote gig later!

Source: working remote for the past year

Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

#29

I see a lot of devs trying to convert to remote positions who get frustrated that they haven't landed a job after days/weeks/months. Going remote isn't as easy as what many devs are probably accustomed to, especially if you're new to the game (as the tech hiring market has been :fire:). If you're going to go remote, you need to realize a few things: - You're competing against waaay more candidates. You need to stand…

Right. That network cable goes all the way to Bangladesh. Average programmer hourly wage in Bangladesh:

https://www.google.com/search?q=average+programmer+hourly+wa...

I clicked on the second link:

http://www.salaryexplorer.com/hourly-wage.php?loc=18&loctype...

   Maximum: 698 BDT / hr
   Average: 326 BDT / hr
   Median: 279 BDT / hr
   Minimum: 58 BDT / hr
In dollars that is:

   Maximum: $8.6 / hr
   Average: $4.0 / hr
   Median: $3.4 / hr
   Minimum: $0.72 / hr
I bet you're looking for more than them. But when they go remote, aren't you competing with them?

I would say it is easier to become remote if you are already working with a company that knows you. As for establishing such a relationship, I kind of agree with codingdave's advice in this thread.

Re: How to actually get a remote job as an intermediate developer?

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post #3

Good question, I have a bit less experience but am looking for the same thing soon. I have no idea how to find one. Not even sure where to look.

Also, find companies that you'd like to work for that hire remotely. There are plenty these days.
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