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China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #83

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First thing first, I didn't downvote you or anyone else - because I simply don't have enough karma to downvote anyone. Please check my public profile before pointing fingers, that would be a much more civilised move. I was educated in the west, with PhD from the top ranking university. I spent 12 years living in your society and do understand where you came from. The problem is you seem to be forcing your definition…

> First thing first, I didn't downvote you or anyone else - because > I simply don't have enough karma to downvote anyone. > Please check my public profile before pointing fingers, that > would be a much more civilised move. I apologize if my words made you think that I was saying that you double downvoted me...I was just trying to put my observation in its context...but I did not mean you. > The problem is you seem…

> The meta-assumption that you are making in your argument is that there exists a general will in both western society and Chinese society -- which is equivalent to saying that there is a higher intelligent wisdom above all the western people or all the eastern people, represents their collective will and thus having a single voice that "they want democracy" or "they want totalitarian"

Totalitarian/Totalitarianism is not preferred even by the CCP, you have the Chinese Premier criticising those over regulated craps on weekly basis. To give you a quick example, the Chinese Premier spoke highly of the reform to allow business registration to be done though WeChat. I am 100% sure that you guys can not do business registration using Facebook/Twitter style social media or any other private media.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/11/c_136435928.htm

> how many people starved to death during the Great Famine between 1959 to 1961

You do realize that the recent administrations are the exact victims of those failed polices back in the 50s/60s? You do realize that the current Chinese President had his father put into jail because of those policies? Do you even know that the Chinese President himself was sent to the most rural area to work as a farmer/labour for 7 years because of those policies?

Suddenly, the victims need to be responsible for the horrible past.

> And from my own experience, many young people born after 1990 in China even do not know that TianAnMen square protest and the shooting even have ever happened...

It was highly regrettable to have those deaths, one day, the CCP will have to come clean not just to the public but to the book of history. The same can be said to the one-child policy as well. That being said, the timing should never be set/influenced by the CCP or any foreign power, it should be purely decided by Chinese. To answer your question, when most people don't even talk about the Tiananmen square incident, that is because they believe the overall progress made after the Tiananmen Square is good, CCP's explanations at that time (to ensure society stability) is acceptable.

> And what about the dramatic increase in the number of people that have been diagnosed with lung cancer or other types of life-threatening illness as a result of the air pollution caused by profit-driven manufacturing planning?

This is as silly as arguing that thousands of people got killed by flying Boeing-747 and thus it was a bad idea to develop 747.

You are free to check any respectful source you like, you can buy yourself a ticket to China and watch yourself, you'd be seeing one thing pretty consistent - Chinese are living much longer nowadays, life expectancy in the eastern coast has reached almost 80 - my home city Shanghai is already doing better than the US national average. How that was made possible? profit-driven manufacturing.

> It seems to me that you are fairly funny, and rude, to speak for 1.4 billion individuals, without a validated assumption on the very existence of "general will", without any action or even intention to obtain their opinion, while enjoying all the freedom of speech and convenience of western life, and make a speech that all the 1.4 billion individuals have a consensus based on their compromise -- but more to the fact, a self-narcissus based on other people's extraordinary sacrifice...

so just follow your system because it works so well in Arab Spring countries lately? What a joke.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

#122
post #77

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> So either it was a very synchronized move by several independent minds, or more likely, it was from a same mind who operates several accounts... The latter seems unlikely. You can't downvote until you've accumulated 500 karma (might even be higher now). That means that in order for someone you replied to downvote you twice, they'd need two separate 500+ karma accounts in addition to their main account (which they w…

> That's a lot of work just to be petty in > the case someone online disagrees with you. I am really okay if someone disagrees with me and downvotes me...After all, I do not make a living based on the HN karma points in my account... But for the reason that I stated in my previous two posts, I feel I have some reason to doubt this could be an act of information manipulation from personnel funded by the Chinese govern…

> and if there were indeed government resources behind this, multiple accounts that each has 500 karma points are nothing...

And if that was indeed the case you would also expect other replies critical of China and the Chinese government to be downvoted to a similar degree, and yet that has not happened in this thread. Why single you out in particular?

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

#123
post #98

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clowwindy is male. the current maintainer of shadowsocks is a female.

and that's why we always use they if we don't known the person(s) we're talking about.

This thread is about China and virtual private networks.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #96
post #53

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Since well before the Olympics actually. I was in China when 9/11 happened and for a brief period of time they opened access to a large number of previously blocked foreign news sites so that people could read what was happening.

why would people be checking a news site that was previously blocked? do you go everyday "oh, let me try cnn.com... oh, still blocked. let's try tomorrow?"

Well, first of all, it's not every day that a news event on the scale of 9/11 happens.

As for how I discovered they were unblocked, I got a phone call from my Mum early in the morning after the attack (the attack happened during the Chinese night time) and went in to the office (which had the only available internet access), and one of my colleagues told me that the bbc and nytimes were no longer blocked.

Not sure how he found out they were unblocked, but he'd been there most of the night.

Then once you know one is unblocked you try them all :-)

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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Please look at my post again, I said GFW _helped_ to create the recent economic development. Of course the economy of a country like China can not be improved single-handedly by a system or by a single sector. I further pointed out that GFW ensured that all core Internet infrastructures used in China is designed/developed in China, that led to the creation of a Dev community with millions of experienced engineers. Do…

How could it help to create something that was created long before it? As I said in my original comment, the best you could say is that the GFW helped sustain it recently, which seems like it might be what you're actually trying to say here.

The boom of China's Internet sector didn't happen until ~2008.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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How could it help to create something that was created long before it? As I said in my original comment, the best you could say is that the GFW helped sustain it recently, which seems like it might be what you're actually trying to say here.

The boom of China's Internet sector didn't happen until ~2008.

I would not interpret "one of the most dramatic periods of economic development in history" as referring to the boom of China's internet sector starting in 2008.

If you intend to give credit to the GWF for that particular thing, then by all means do so. But that is not at all what I got from your original comment, nor your first reply.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #28

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GFW does not just inspect traffic, it actively probes server IP:ports looking for its responses, can replay packets you sent legitimately, and can impersonate IP addr behind GFW. As in, it is not only a passive observer periodically resetting connections, it will also make its own to test the waters

I would love to see a write up about that. Got a source?

Some fun reads

https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~rensafi/projects/active-probin...

https://citizenlab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/ChinasGreat...

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #89

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VPNs still work; ExpressVPN gives good results. Although I usually just forward gmail to outlook for the time being and will just use that for the weeks I am there.

The thing is that they block Gmail MX from time to time. Don't use google mail for work there

No I forward all to Outlook.com and send from there as well. Sucks but works.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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The boom of China's Internet sector didn't happen until ~2008.

I would not interpret "one of the most dramatic periods of economic development in history" as referring to the boom of China's internet sector starting in 2008. If you intend to give credit to the GWF for that particular thing, then by all means do so. But that is not at all what I got from your original comment, nor your first reply.

>I would not interpret "one of the most dramatic periods of economic development in history" as referring to the boom of China's internet sector starting in 2008.

The economic development in the last decade can be safely regarded as the most dramatic period in history, it added ~40% of US GDP in that period. The Internet sector is of course one of the major driving forces for that.

> If you intend to give credit to the GWF for that particular thing, then by all means do so. But that is not at all what I got from your original comment, nor your first reply.

Sorry to get you confused but it is pretty clear to me that 1) GFW is being built/maintained as a tool for protectionism agendas, 2) it blocked most western Internet services to allow Chinese Internet sector to grow faster in the last decade, 3) with such help from the GFW, the Chinese Internet sector managed to get to where it is now and helped to fuel the economic growth in that period.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #25

China is one black swan event away from an economic collapse and possible Arab spring. The authoritarian Chinese government is starting to have some sense of fear now. Between the 300%+ gdp/debt ratio, second real estate bubble bursting in shanghai/tier1 cities, huge spike in shadow lending, stalled stock market, complete frozen capital control, Trump's 100 day ultimatum to China regarding trade deficit, demographics…

Watch USDCNY and CNH/CNY spreads.

I'd love to hear more about this.
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