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A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

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Re: A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Men don't get a day of pain and cramps each month so I don't see why we should get the day off. Periods aren't fun, and I don't think men deserve a day at the golf course in exchange.

But there are number of health conditions that either gender can get that are rare and lead to many days of significant pain. Some even can result in bleeding similar to periods. Do we given these issues their own days off for those unlucky enough to have them? Or is it only counted in sick leave?

I feel that the workplace should attempt to accommodate any and all medical conditions.

Re: A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

#42
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Men don't get a day of pain and cramps each month so I don't see why we should get the day off. Periods aren't fun, and I don't think men deserve a day at the golf course in exchange.

Neither do all woman.

They don't have to take the day off then.

Re: A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

#43

That's sexism though.

Now I'm wondering if you consider it sexist against men, who are denied this benefit. Or against women, who are (once again) stereotyped as weak and unreliable? I guess the answer is "both". But I can't shake the feeling that this is actually much worse for women than it is for men. In principle, I don't even have a problem with some groups getting a few more days off, or other special arrangements. Some countries ha…

It's sexist as it gives people an advantage based on their sex. This is unfair for:

* women who are in pain more than one day a month because of their periods

* men who have prostate troubles or other illnesses exclusive to men

And it gives an unfair advantage to:

* women who aren't in pain during their periods

* women who have their period less than once a months (for example because of the Pill)

The criterion to get the day off shouldn't be "are you women?" but "are you in pain?". They probably chose the former because they think it correlates that much.

Re: A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

#44
Nobody is going to take advantage of this because "Oh btw, I'm on the rag so I won't be in today" isn't exactly the message you want to broadcast to your coworkers.

Then there will be the people who take advantage of this on Mondays and Fridays leading into long weekends.

Then everyone will hate the policy.

Then they'll extend the extra 12-days to everyone because you can't take back something like this when you market it this way.

Then nothing will get done on Mondays and Fridays leading into long weekends.

Re: A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

#45

Why not give women 12 extra days of work from home (when applicable) for a year and see how it goes rather than setting up different rules for different genders? Or am I missing something here?

I'm not saying this isn't a reason to try your proposal, but you may not be aware that for a significant minority of women, period symptoms can be severe enough to make work difficult or impossible, even from home.

Severe headaches. Cramps so severe you can't think or sit upright unless on enough painkillers to make your brain nothing but fuzz. (Even OTC painkillers like naproxen that are commonly taken for cramps can affect concentration, not to mention having extremely unpleasant effects on digestion.)

Yes, when you're changing tampons every hour, it's less anxiety-inducing to be in the comfort of your own home. But most of the reasons women tend to take sick days during menstruation aren't solved by working remotely.

Re: A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

#46
post #5

interesting. If this ever became law, it would incentivize hiring men over women because you'll get 5% less value out of hiring a woman employee. the math: lets assume that there are 260 working days in a year. women get 12 extra holidays per year for their periods, which means they only work 248 out of the 260 days. 248/260 = 95.4%. very interesting indeed.

Maternity leave in theory has the same disadvantage, as generally women take this more than paternity leave (though I think that's changing) - it can be combatted by public denigration of companies that consider men to be preferable hires on the basis of lower risk of disruption and lower costs. Thus I don't think it'd be a problem.

>it can be combatted by public denigration of companies that consider men to be preferable hires on the basis of lower risk of disruption and lower costs.

Was this said in sarcasm? I feel like it was, but I'm not a good judge of when sarcasm is used.

Re: A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there are number of health conditions that either gender can get that are rare and lead to many days of significant pain. Some even can result in bleeding similar to periods. Do we given these issues their own days off for those unlucky enough to have them? Or is it only counted in sick leave?

I feel that the workplace should attempt to accommodate any and all medical conditions.

Which tends to be accounted for in either general leave or more specialized sick leave. The idea of giving people more beyond this because of biological processes they cannot control raises the question of how we decide which biological processes deserve extra leave.

Re: A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

#48
post #2

Stuff like this, while done with good intentions, can threaten to entrench discrimination by having different sets of rules and expectations for people based on their gender. A better solution would be to give 12 extra holiday days per year to everyone, but make it known that it's acceptable to take them under those circumstances.

I totally get your point, and from a capitalist perspective the solution of the media company in the article dis-incentivises hiring women as a dollar per hour of work metric instantly makes hiring a woman less cost effective.

I've seen comments like men don't have the day of pain, so don't "need the holiday" but these people obviously don't own a business or pay other peoples wages. When you are a small business you ensure that you hire people based on the maximum return on investment based on skillset and deliverables. If you have 2 identically skilled and equally hard working employees but one works 12 days less per year and gets the same money, you would hire the one who delivers 12 extra days. If you ignore the sex of the applicants and it was down to a purely financial decision (as it always should be in business, especially publicly traded businesses) then you would be neglecting your responsibilities if you hire someone who costs more and delivers less.

The solution may be simply allow flexi-time. Each member of staff must fulfil X number of hours per week, month, year or whatever slice you decide, and when its performed is up to them. This wouldn't work with List-X or restricted sites, where work must be performed on site, but for something like a media company I'm sure you could work from many suitable locations.

Re: A media company in Mumbai is giving women a day off during their periods

#49
post #2

Stuff like this, while done with good intentions, can threaten to entrench discrimination by having different sets of rules and expectations for people based on their gender. A better solution would be to give 12 extra holiday days per year to everyone, but make it known that it's acceptable to take them under those circumstances.

Throwaway because no one wants to hear about periods. I am a woman and one time my body decided to have an extremely heavy and painful flow for about a week straight. I had been sick with a cold immediately before that, so I had already let my employer know that I was not feeling well and would be taking some days off, and I did not feel the need to tell my employer every little detail about what was going on. Every…

It's perfectly reasonable for a manager to request a doctor's note if you say "I have a cold and will not be in for a few days" and then you are out for 6+.
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