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Re: The Uninhabitable Earth

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Post by rhapsodic »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #68

A few observations: Trying to scare people into behavior does not work very well. The Catholic Church spent centuries threatening people with eternal hell if they had extra-marital sex, and people still had extra-marital sex. Studies have shown that abstinence only sex education results in more teen pregnancies. Thomas Malthus saw an impending famine and begged people to have fewer children. People did not listen. Wh…

The other thing is that people don't really think this is a true emergency.

(Raises hand.)

Get back to me when Al Gore, Leo DiCaprio, and a thousand other wealthy frauds who lecture me about my SUV swear off flying on private jets.

When the people who keep telling me AGW is an emergency actually start acting like it's an emergency, I might take them seriously.

Re: The Uninhabitable Earth

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Post by stcredzero »

anigbrowl wrote: post #203
stcredzero wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the handful of climate change deniers that's the problem. It's the overwhelming number of people who want to say they're green, but still own two cars, never take public transport, eat meat daily, live in big houses, and buy buy buy. Given the evidence of all of recorded history and archaeological evidence, how is the denial of economics any better than climate change denial? We have many, many examples of e…

you can't, in the short term. There are no good long-term solutions that are not going to cause some acute pain in the short term. Deep down everyone knows this, and the increasing viciousness of politics is, under the surface debates, a fight over who is going to have to bear that pain and to what degree.

You can align market forces. It's going to be a hard sell working against entrenched interests, however.

https://www.ted.com/talks/ted_halstead_a_climate_solution_wh...

Re: The Uninhabitable Earth

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Post by aoeusnth1 »

rhapsodic wrote: post #221
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #68

A few observations: Trying to scare people into behavior does not work very well. The Catholic Church spent centuries threatening people with eternal hell if they had extra-marital sex, and people still had extra-marital sex. Studies have shown that abstinence only sex education results in more teen pregnancies. Thomas Malthus saw an impending famine and begged people to have fewer children. People did not listen. Wh…

The other thing is that people don't really think this is a true emergency. (Raises hand.) Get back to me when Al Gore, Leo DiCaprio, and a thousand other wealthy frauds who lecture me about my SUV swear off flying on private jets. When the people who keep telling me AGW is an emergency actually start acting like it's an emergency, I might take them seriously.

This is not an intellectually honest argument. Did it ever occur to you that Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio might be rationally self-interested agents who don't care about the damage they cause to others by flying private jets? They talk about global warming because it gains them social status - that fact alone does not tell you whether global warming is real or not. You are taking their two-faced behavior as evidence against global warming, when it is not evidence.

Re: The Uninhabitable Earth

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Post by rhapsodic »

aoeusnth1 wrote: post #223
rhapsodic wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing is that people don't really think this is a true emergency. (Raises hand.) Get back to me when Al Gore, Leo DiCaprio, and a thousand other wealthy frauds who lecture me about my SUV swear off flying on private jets. When the people who keep telling me AGW is an emergency actually start acting like it's an emergency, I might take them seriously.

This is not an intellectually honest argument. Did it ever occur to you that Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio might be rationally self-interested agents who don't care about the damage they cause to others by flying private jets? They talk about global warming because it gains them social status - that fact alone does not tell you whether global warming is real or not. You are taking their two-faced behavior as evidence agai…

>You are taking their two-faced behavior as evidence against global warming...

You cannot logically conclude that based on what I wrote.

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Post by jessaustin »

rwcarlsen wrote: post #113
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #68

A few observations: Trying to scare people into behavior does not work very well. The Catholic Church spent centuries threatening people with eternal hell if they had extra-marital sex, and people still had extra-marital sex. Studies have shown that abstinence only sex education results in more teen pregnancies. Thomas Malthus saw an impending famine and begged people to have fewer children. People did not listen. Wh…

Not disagreeing with the ineffectiveness of abstinence on unwanted pregnancy, I just would like to point out that I don't think the Catholic church was trying (directly) to address extra-marital pregnancy. Their primary/direct goal was to prevent extra-marital sex - which their teachings do seem to affect. Your comment could be read as a criticism that the "Catholic leaders were dumb - can't they see that birth contr…

Yeah the Catholic Church has never been against pregnancy...

Re: The Uninhabitable Earth

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Post by stevebmark »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #68

A few observations: Trying to scare people into behavior does not work very well. The Catholic Church spent centuries threatening people with eternal hell if they had extra-marital sex, and people still had extra-marital sex. Studies have shown that abstinence only sex education results in more teen pregnancies. Thomas Malthus saw an impending famine and begged people to have fewer children. People did not listen. Wh…

When stating facts is criticized as fear mongering by "intellectuals," you know the world is irreversibly fucked

Re: The Uninhabitable Earth

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Post by stevebmark »

Daishiman wrote: post #97
stevebmark wrote: post #85

Well, it worked. I'm worried, and I'm turning off some electronics I normally leave on.

Are you going to stop eating meat?

Cows are the only animals that can turn indigestible (for human) grasslands, and deserts, into rich, plant diverse carbon sinks that produce food for humans.

Re: The Uninhabitable Earth

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Post by aoeusnth1 »

rhapsodic wrote: post #224
aoeusnth1 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not an intellectually honest argument. Did it ever occur to you that Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio might be rationally self-interested agents who don't care about the damage they cause to others by flying private jets? They talk about global warming because it gains them social status - that fact alone does not tell you whether global warming is real or not. You are taking their two-faced behavior as evidence agai…

>You are taking their two-faced behavior as evidence against global warming... You cannot logically conclude that based on what I wrote.

That's the clear implication from what you wrote - did you not write it to dismiss the likelihood of global warming being caused by humans, and severe?

Re: The Uninhabitable Earth

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Post by Oletros »

buckbova wrote: post #104
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #38

This is an article to save and come back 20 years and read.

And in 20 years there'll be a whole new set of doomsday predictions and this'll be forgotten. https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth%20day%20do...

Funny thing is that NONE of the links are scientific papers
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