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Re: Snap falls to IPO price

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Pardon my language but: no fucking shit. $20bil was unbelievably overpriced. This is the one major tech stock that I simply do not get . ~$125 a user is insane.

Facebook is >$200 per user.

Facebook has so completely monopolized social media it is successfully driving SNAP out of business. Hence its share price is accurate.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#82
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What does $SNAP need to do to deliver on the hype? Is there anything that can make $SNAP a good investment for anyone other than the parties involved in trading the IPO? I tend to be bearish on $SNAP in general, but I'm interested in the discussion. How do they right the ship and boost back up to that $25-30 range? What's their play?

It seems to me like a lot of their "value" is in how much more engrossing their ads can be than other display ads. They also have a whole section of their app that shovels "content" from magazines and such, and that content is pretty much just more advertising. I'm sure those outlets pay to be there, or pay for prominent placing, etc.

But those should be easy enough to copy. And I find the content thing weird, it feels bolted on to an app you use to talk to friends. I am bearish on them, I think it was smart to IPO when they did.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#83
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Financially it does not matter for the founders that much anymore. Significant wealth has already been transferred and cashed out: http://www.nasdaq.com/quotes/insiders/spiegel-evan-1016829

There are only a handful of people on the planet that could reasonably claim that $1.4 billion doesn't matter that much to them (and none of them are likely to actually hold that belief).

It's an absurd premise to claim that 80%-90% of someone's wealth does not matter much to them. Not to mention implying all sorts of horrible things about their character in the process (to claim what you are, is identical to claiming that Spiegel is ok with losing that money as opposed to keeping it and doing something good with it, that he would feel indifferent to the contrast of said scenario).

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

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$17.00 was the IPO price but only for investors with access. Your average investor with an eTrade account saw a price of $24.00+ when the market opened that morning, and it hit almost $27.00 that day. So those folks have seen a 30%+ drop since IPO. Given that Snap paid out billions in IPO bonuses to executives and other employees, it's turned out to be a pretty big wealth transfer from retail investors to Snap employ…

Did you try to subscribe to the IPO? It was not hard at all. I'm an "average" investory with a standard Charles Schwab trading account and subscribed to it with a few clicks of my mouse. I imagine anyone else could with their brokerage. It was oversubscribed tho, so I got half the quantity I wanted and sold shortly after opening.

You got half you order filled at $17 with Schwab on opening day? Or it fills before market open?

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#85
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was referring to the trading account, which is independent from the bank. Tho Charles Schwab bank accounts are useful because they refund your ATM fees.

Free checking account helps too; they sent me two boxes of checks and a checkpad with a $0 initial balance, for no fees. And they offer you commission-free trades too if you offer to transfer in enough funds. Great, great, place to keep your finances.

How's their mobile app on iOS?

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

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What does $SNAP need to do to deliver on the hype? Is there anything that can make $SNAP a good investment for anyone other than the parties involved in trading the IPO? I tend to be bearish on $SNAP in general, but I'm interested in the discussion. How do they right the ship and boost back up to that $25-30 range? What's their play?

I was thinking Snap might try to buy Musically before their IPO or around IPO time. It would cost more than IG did to FB, making the purchase a much larger deal for Snap, but it would be a way to allow for the user growth and connectedness to the young crowd to continue. I'm not sure how big Musically is now, just seemed like it might be a decent gamble for Snap to try and prob provide the most [media] hype too.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

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The facts that they are the primary beneficaries of underpriced IPOs (ie, the biggest reward for the smallest risk) and that they are the all-powerful gatekeepers of the process and that most of these IPOs shoot up in price on day one (meaning that their customers are leaving huge amounts of money on the table) is a pretty good indication. If you don't count fully aligned incentives as evidence, it's at least very cl…

> The facts that they are the primary beneficaries of underpriced IPOs (ie, the biggest reward for the smallest risk) and that they are the all-powerful gatekeepers of the process and that most of these IPOs shoot up in price on day one (meaning that their customers are leaving huge amounts of money on the table) is a pretty good indication On the other hand, the entity that they are taking money from is literally th…

"Well-established protocols" can result in IPO prices being systematically set too low. Yes, theoretically a bank should be able to break the ranks, but all they would get for their trouble is smaller profits, and a potential lawsuit from investors. After all, they did diverse from the "established accounting standards" when pushing the IPO price up.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

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snapchat baffles me. It's just another instant messaging platform except that they came up with the idea of messages that delete themselves after a time period. The problem is that this killer feature is easily subverted by taking a picture of your screen. So basically, they have provided an instant messaging platform with one extra useless feature.

If you're messaging someone to be fun or flirty, or just as causal friends, do you really want to see the random dumb things you said 6 months ago or 3 years ago on Facebook Messenger?

Every messaging app is essentially like one long email thread, whereas Snapchat provides real freedom to be spurious and in the moment without future embarrassment.

And anyone can secretly record anyone at any time in any interaction. That doesn't stop people from communicating freely.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free checking account helps too; they sent me two boxes of checks and a checkpad with a $0 initial balance, for no fees. And they offer you commission-free trades too if you offer to transfer in enough funds. Great, great, place to keep your finances.

How's their mobile app on iOS?

Pretty similar to android (IMO)
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