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Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Post by lossolo »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #28
captainmuon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should really fix society before we develop that kind of technology. We need a socio-cultural breaktrough of the same magnitude as the technological breakthrough. Something on par with the development of monotheism, enlightenment, capitalism, or democracy. A "communistic" utopia (for lack of a better word) without the flaws of its historical implementations. Then the question is moot. There is no private b…

I agree. Once we develop the ability to upload and modify brains, it will be easy to morph them. We can extract the primal desire to defend yourself, to become angry, to want to own property. These emotions will be reserved for the founders. It will take time to get there. Many will resist, so we have to keep our goal a secret. But people are gullible. With our morphogenic brain technology, we can give people experie…

> Many will resist, so we have to keep our goal a secret.

This is not democracy. Every dictatorship begins with "I know better what is good for you than you do".

You should watch movie "Equilibrium" with Christian Bale. I don't think you really want that, it only sounds good in theory.

Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

lossolo wrote: post #31
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Once we develop the ability to upload and modify brains, it will be easy to morph them. We can extract the primal desire to defend yourself, to become angry, to want to own property. These emotions will be reserved for the founders. It will take time to get there. Many will resist, so we have to keep our goal a secret. But people are gullible. With our morphogenic brain technology, we can give people experie…

> Many will resist, so we have to keep our goal a secret. This is not democracy. Every dictatorship begins with "I know better what is good for you than you do". You should watch movie "Equilibrium" with Christian Bale. I don't think you really want that, it only sounds good in theory.

Well, it was firmly tongue in cheek. :) I've been thinking of trying to write some short stories pulling from various themes in technology. Most ideas have been done to death, but with a bit of skill it might be possible to write something worth reading.

A tangent, but: I've been wondering how a novelist builds their skill. They're not born with it. One idea would be to watch a movie and write it like a book, transcribing it scene for scene. I'm not sure whether that'd help, though.

Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Post by shallot_router »

mywittyname wrote: post #21
jahabrewer wrote: post #3

> when people read aloud or read silently to themselves the neural signal in the superior temporal gyrus can be used to reconstruct the words How long until counter-interrogation techniques include not even thinking about what you want to conceal?

Probably more like thought-lie training: intentionally mis-remembering the details the interrogator is trying to extract.

Feels very Ministry of Love.

Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

tectonic wrote: post #6

See also Elon Musk's Neuralink and the recent waitbutwhy post all about it: https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html

To pick out one interesting point from that article:

> I always assumed Gutenberg had made some genius machine, but it turns out he just created a bunch of stamps of letters and punctuation and manually arranged them as the page of a book and then put ink on them and pressed a piece of paper onto the letters, and that was one book page. ... That's Gutenberg’s thing? A bunch of stamps?

Gutenberg's genius was figuring out that while it took a long time to cast and to set up the stamps - probably longer than just writing the page - he'd Automated his process and could print At Scale. (His other major contribution was a good screw press, and, more importantly, the metalurgy and a casting system for the letters).

Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Post by petra »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #2

If you were offered the chance to become as intelligent as Feynman but only if you turn over a copy of all your future thoughts to the private business that made this possible, would you take it? Something non-invasive, like a computer that images your brain while you sleep. If we are machines, then it seems reasonable that within a few millennia we might have this capability. I'm trying to think up some scenarios wh…

I really wonder how valuable would augmented intelligence be , when AI will be so much smarter.

If it would be the same as physical strength today,maybe most people won't bother with that too much, and instead focus on other things,maybe more core to feeling well.

One of those things could be the experiences meditation practices talking about, enlightenment etc, and it seems that we won't need neuron level sensing to do that, but something more at the affordable fmri level or maybe eeg+localization, and those seem to be here much before intelligence augemntation.

So I wonder if we'll ever see intelligence augmentation.

Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Post by hellbanner »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #32
lossolo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many will resist, so we have to keep our goal a secret. This is not democracy. Every dictatorship begins with "I know better what is good for you than you do". You should watch movie "Equilibrium" with Christian Bale. I don't think you really want that, it only sounds good in theory.

Well, it was firmly tongue in cheek. :) I've been thinking of trying to write some short stories pulling from various themes in technology. Most ideas have been done to death, but with a bit of skill it might be possible to write something worth reading. A tangent, but: I've been wondering how a novelist builds their skill. They're not born with it. One idea would be to watch a movie and write it like a book, transcr…

Re tangent: Steven King's "on writing" or Ray Bradbury's "en in the art of writing"

write 1000 words a day, be crap for decades, eventually you get skilled.

Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Post by kirykl »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #16
kirykl wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People already essentially turn their brains over to businesses today, without such grand promises of intelligence or immortality. Its actually maybe even a pretty accurate description of religion

Religion does make a grand promise of immortality.

which is what I said

Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Post by morley »

petra wrote: post #35
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #2

If you were offered the chance to become as intelligent as Feynman but only if you turn over a copy of all your future thoughts to the private business that made this possible, would you take it? Something non-invasive, like a computer that images your brain while you sleep. If we are machines, then it seems reasonable that within a few millennia we might have this capability. I'm trying to think up some scenarios wh…

I really wonder how valuable would augmented intelligence be , when AI will be so much smarter. If it would be the same as physical strength today,maybe most people won't bother with that too much, and instead focus on other things,maybe more core to feeling well. One of those things could be the experiences meditation practices talking about, enlightenment etc, and it seems that we won't need neuron level sensing to…

We basically already have intelligence augmentation; it's just in the form of computers and smartphones.

Interestingly, despite widespread adoption of both, there's still some people "smarter" (i.e. better at certain tasks) than others because they can better apply the tools available.

Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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Post by [deleted] »

aquadrop wrote: post #5
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #2

If you were offered the chance to become as intelligent as Feynman but only if you turn over a copy of all your future thoughts to the private business that made this possible, would you take it? Something non-invasive, like a computer that images your brain while you sleep. If we are machines, then it seems reasonable that within a few millennia we might have this capability. I'm trying to think up some scenarios wh…

> If you were offered the chance to become as intelligent as Feynman but only if you turn over a copy of all your future thoughts to the private business that made this possible, would you take it? Something non-invasive, like a computer that images your brain while you sleep. No. If you were offered wings so you could fly, but in exchange you must spend rest of your life in a cage, would you take it?

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Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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sillysaurus3 wrote: post #2

If you were offered the chance to become as intelligent as Feynman but only if you turn over a copy of all your future thoughts to the private business that made this possible, would you take it? Something non-invasive, like a computer that images your brain while you sleep. If we are machines, then it seems reasonable that within a few millennia we might have this capability. I'm trying to think up some scenarios wh…

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