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Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

jerry40 wrote: post #63
pavlov wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immediately escorting fired employees out of the building is an extremely aggressive signal, and I don't know if it gets used much outside of USA. It's possible to do layoffs in a completely different way, but it takes time and management patience. When Nokia fired thousands of employees back in 2011-13, they created a program called Bridge that offered former employees seed money to create startups, and even the pos…

>Immediately escorting fired employees out of the building is an extremely aggressive signal, and I don't know if it gets used much outside of USA. I saw that in Moscow in 2008 (one big investment bank fired several guys from our team in 20-30 minutes in front of my eyes). It was very unusual. They did now allow a fired person to touch his computer after firing him.

My buddy was in his cubicle, then the network went down. Everybody was standing in the aisles chatting about it, milling around, and HR showed up. Read a list of names, got them in a group, escorted them out of the building. Then the network came back up. Back to work!

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by studentrob »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #87
shagie wrote: post #80

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My previous job was in the north woods of the Midwest where there are fewer than 75k people living and the next nearest city of more than 25k is an hour drive away. There are several companies there, all hiring at all levels. There are opportunities for entry level work everywhere. However, the demand for living in urban areas with culture events changes the equation to one where employers have the ability to pick an…

You're speaking like someone who happens to live in or around one of the tech hubs of the Midwest. I also live in the Midwest, have several certifications, am 75% through an IT Bachelor's degree, and I have been unable to find tech-related work in the third largest city in my state. Just because your area happens to have work doesn't mean the rest of rural America does. There's a reason political extremists were near…

> There is a widespread sense of economic instability due to large trends that are gutting the middle class and concentrating jobs.

Widespread area-wise, maybe. In denser areas it is less of an issue.

Politics won't stop such a trend. Technology will do as it is asked. IT innovates.

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by Asooka »

hyeonwho2 wrote: post #90
golemotron wrote: post #16

The pathology behind the hypocrisy is the obsession with values we see in corporations today. Let's be clear: work is something we do to provide for ourselves. It is a contract. That contract should not encompass a prescribed belief system, and that is exactly what 'values' are. In the past 30 years we've turned many work environments into quasi-religions where it is expected that employees adhere to particular sets…

Organizations of people are defined by shared values and shared goals. Throw out the values and you throw out the bases for civil communication and conflict resolution within the organization.

I have never seen an organization subscribe to any set of values other than "do what will make the most profit". The only goal is to increase profit. This works out pretty well, because it pits my desire for profit versus yours, and encourages socially beneficial policies, because too-greedy profit seeking destroys further chances of profit. We do not have shared goals, we have the opposing goal of maximising profit in a largely zero-sum game. However, due to how the system is set up, we can collaborate and increase both our profits more than what we can do each on our own.

I don't see how anything else can be a working system. Everything else can be gamed by semantic manoeuvring from the side of the profit-seekers. The only way to make sure a given set of values are followed is to make them the most profitable course of action, ensuring via evolutionary mechanisms that only the ones abiding those values survive.

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by grogenaut »

keithpeter wrote: post #51
pc86 wrote: post #28

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Someone is losing their job unexpectedly. Nearly everyone spends too much of their income and saves too little for retirement/emergencies, so losing your job unexpectedly can have devastating financial consequences. Even bouncing back and finding another job could set your retirement back years if it doesn't happen quickly enough, and ruin your credit if you don't have appropriate savings. I don't think there's a way…

"Nearly everyone spends too much of their income and saves too little for retirement/emergencies, so losing your job unexpectedly can have devastating financial consequences." UK: in larger organisations (I mean big enough to have more than say 20 employees being made redundant) there is a consultation process that lasts a month or can last up to three months depending on the number of people being made redundant. Th…

How shitty do the employees get during the consultation period?

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by grogenaut »

keithpeter wrote: post #51
pc86 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone is losing their job unexpectedly. Nearly everyone spends too much of their income and saves too little for retirement/emergencies, so losing your job unexpectedly can have devastating financial consequences. Even bouncing back and finding another job could set your retirement back years if it doesn't happen quickly enough, and ruin your credit if you don't have appropriate savings. I don't think there's a way…

"Nearly everyone spends too much of their income and saves too little for retirement/emergencies, so losing your job unexpectedly can have devastating financial consequences." UK: in larger organisations (I mean big enough to have more than say 20 employees being made redundant) there is a consultation process that lasts a month or can last up to three months depending on the number of people being made redundant. Th…

How shitty do the employees get during the consultation period?

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by Chris2048 »

iaskwhy wrote: post #74
muninn_ wrote: post #37

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Or, you just ghost people. Walk in one day and your badge doesn't work. Or you somehow get in and you can't log on "sorry ma'am can't find you in the system here". Didn't Twitter do something like that recently? Although, begrudgingly I agree that it's something that should probably be done if you know somebody is being let go.

This happened to me once. I was not allowed in the building so I called a colleague to bring me in as a visitor. Upon trying to login, "account has been disabled". Called IT, "you've been fired". Called my line manager, "I have no idea what you're talking about". Turns out someone forgot to extend my contract on the system.

If that's the case, the IT person was a dick to tell you / assume you'd been fired.

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by ilamparithi »

danmaz74 wrote: post #113
OliverJones wrote: post #73

In Indian polity, withholding relieving letters is brutal. It makes it very hard for the laid-off person to get another job: one must present a relieving letter to be hired elsewhere. Courts aren't a useful remedy for a worker with a family to feed: too slow and expensive.

Can you expand about these "relieving letters"? I didn't hear about those before...

You are supposed to get an experience certificate (that confirms how long you worked in that company) and a formal relieving letter (that confirms that you left under normal circumstances and your performance was satisfactory) from your previous employer. In addition to that you are also supposed to get payslips for the last three months.

Without supplying these it is very hard to get a job. Most companies also contact previous employers (through a third party) to confirm these details.

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by shagie »

danmaz74 wrote: post #113
OliverJones wrote: post #73

In Indian polity, withholding relieving letters is brutal. It makes it very hard for the laid-off person to get another job: one must present a relieving letter to be hired elsewhere. Courts aren't a useful remedy for a worker with a family to feed: too slow and expensive.

Can you expand about these "relieving letters"? I didn't hear about those before...

https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/20945/what-is-... has a rather good explanation.

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by danmaz74 »

ilamparithi wrote: post #137
danmaz74 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you expand about these "relieving letters"? I didn't hear about those before...

You are supposed to get an experience certificate (that confirms how long you worked in that company) and a formal relieving letter (that confirms that you left under normal circumstances and your performance was satisfactory) from your previous employer. In addition to that you are also supposed to get payslips for the last three months. Without supplying these it is very hard to get a job. Most companies also conta…

Thx for the info

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by 8draco8 »

oblio wrote: post #104
iaskwhy wrote: post #66

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I've seen this happening in the UK to around 40 colleagues at 10am one day. I'm assuming it's because it's a sensitive job information-wise so one is not allowed to touch his computer anymore. I've heard non-contractors still get paid the missing weeks as per their contract, they're just not allowed in the building. It's miserable, by the way. The mood continues in a low for months when it happens.

I was working for an famous US company in their Romanian offices. When I resigned nobody escorted me out of the premises. And that's: - in a developing country - in a country not known for its excellent reputation regarding fraud, corruption, theft, etc. - as an employee holding the "keys to the kingdom" (access to multiple production environments, admin level access to source control systems used by 90% of the compa…

That's the reason - you resigned. You knew for weeks or maybe months that you will be going away, it was not a surprise to you that it will be your last day at work, if you wanted to sabotage your employer you would to it before informing them about resignation. It's totally different the other way around especially when highly sensitive data is involved (like credit cards) or if you have keys to the kingdom. Some people have instant urge for revenge after firing talk. That's why companies that don't know theirs employees well or don't trust them, are escorting them immediately out of the building "just in case". I agree that it shouldn't be like that but sometimes, if you are not sure how employee will react is better to be save than sorry.
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