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Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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> when people read aloud or read silently to themselves the neural signal in the superior temporal gyrus can be used to reconstruct the words How long until counter-interrogation techniques include not even thinking about what you want to conceal?

Probably more like thought-lie training: intentionally mis-remembering the details the interrogator is trying to extract.

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If you were offered the chance to become as intelligent as Feynman but only if you turn over a copy of all your future thoughts to the private business that made this possible, would you take it? Something non-invasive, like a computer that images your brain while you sleep. If we are machines, then it seems reasonable that within a few millennia we might have this capability. I'm trying to think up some scenarios wh…

I think we should really fix society before we develop that kind of technology. We need a socio-cultural breaktrough of the same magnitude as the technological breakthrough. Something on par with the development of monotheism, enlightenment, capitalism, or democracy. A "communistic" utopia (for lack of a better word) without the flaws of its historical implementations. Then the question is moot. There is no private b…

> communism is going to be hard.

Not if everyone has brain implants!

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If you were offered the chance to become as intelligent as Feynman but only if you turn over a copy of all your future thoughts to the private business that made this possible, would you take it? Something non-invasive, like a computer that images your brain while you sleep. If we are machines, then it seems reasonable that within a few millennia we might have this capability. I'm trying to think up some scenarios wh…

All extrapolated technological symbolism that, when experienced as reality, will fail to stand up to the actual non-symbolic experience of existence.

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> when people read aloud or read silently to themselves the neural signal in the superior temporal gyrus can be used to reconstruct the words How long until counter-interrogation techniques include not even thinking about what you want to conceal?

This is a thought that's been floating around in my head for too long and probably doesn't exactly fit here but oh well. Isn't language a bit of a proxy for what we are actually trying to communicate? As in the statement "Yesterday, I saw a yellow bus" the are millions of shades of yellow, different bus styles, and of course different times of day and different scenery in which you could have seen that bus. Is it pos…

People have thought about that stuff for a long time and it often comes up in fiction. Here's Spock doing it with an alien. https://youtu.be/65dzjOIkwwI?t=59s

It's interesting we may have a new way to communicate thoughts using tech coming up.

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> when people read aloud or read silently to themselves the neural signal in the superior temporal gyrus can be used to reconstruct the words How long until counter-interrogation techniques include not even thinking about what you want to conceal?

This is a thought that's been floating around in my head for too long and probably doesn't exactly fit here but oh well. Isn't language a bit of a proxy for what we are actually trying to communicate? As in the statement "Yesterday, I saw a yellow bus" the are millions of shades of yellow, different bus styles, and of course different times of day and different scenery in which you could have seen that bus. Is it pos…

I think the limitation of our language is a representation of the limitation of our memory and/or thought processing. In college, I remember hearing about people whose language did not have a distinct names for colors, such as blue and green, who also could not distinguish between the two. Meaning, if one held up a blue crayon and a green crayon and asked one of these people if they were the same color, their response would be "yes" in disagreement with your typical American.

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> when people read aloud or read silently to themselves the neural signal in the superior temporal gyrus can be used to reconstruct the words How long until counter-interrogation techniques include not even thinking about what you want to conceal?

How long until minds are scanned at the airport?

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> when people read aloud or read silently to themselves the neural signal in the superior temporal gyrus can be used to reconstruct the words How long until counter-interrogation techniques include not even thinking about what you want to conceal?

This is a thought that's been floating around in my head for too long and probably doesn't exactly fit here but oh well. Isn't language a bit of a proxy for what we are actually trying to communicate? As in the statement "Yesterday, I saw a yellow bus" the are millions of shades of yellow, different bus styles, and of course different times of day and different scenery in which you could have seen that bus. Is it pos…

I would guess the internal representations are too different. Maybe some are inherited, but most develop over the course of your life.

You can think of it as MS Word vs. Libreoffice Writer. You don't get better interoperability by letting an app access the other app's memory, whcih is a crazy historically grown representation of memory-mapped structs.

And by accessing this private structure (and say memcpy'ing external data into it), you open yourself to lots of exploits, like buffer overflows. No way I'm letting somebody memcpy random information into my brain.

Re: Darpa Wants Brain Implants That Record from 1M Neurons

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If you were offered the chance to become as intelligent as Feynman but only if you turn over a copy of all your future thoughts to the private business that made this possible, would you take it? Something non-invasive, like a computer that images your brain while you sleep. If we are machines, then it seems reasonable that within a few millennia we might have this capability. I'm trying to think up some scenarios wh…

I think we should really fix society before we develop that kind of technology. We need a socio-cultural breaktrough of the same magnitude as the technological breakthrough. Something on par with the development of monotheism, enlightenment, capitalism, or democracy. A "communistic" utopia (for lack of a better word) without the flaws of its historical implementations. Then the question is moot. There is no private b…

I agree. Once we develop the ability to upload and modify brains, it will be easy to morph them. We can extract the primal desire to defend yourself, to become angry, to want to own property. These emotions will be reserved for the founders.

It will take time to get there. Many will resist, so we have to keep our goal a secret. But people are gullible. With our morphogenic brain technology, we can give people experiences they've only dreamed of. Think of it. The high of heroin, with none of the downsides. The ability to know instantly when any of your loved ones are in distress. The ability to shape yourself and your children into any form you desire.

If we appeal to base emotions, if we appeal to their need to control, to own, to shape, then we can implement our plan.

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I think we should really fix society before we develop that kind of technology. We need a socio-cultural breaktrough of the same magnitude as the technological breakthrough. Something on par with the development of monotheism, enlightenment, capitalism, or democracy. A "communistic" utopia (for lack of a better word) without the flaws of its historical implementations. Then the question is moot. There is no private b…

> communism is going to be hard. Not if everyone has brain implants!

Touché. That's why I'm not getting a brain implant :-D

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> If you were offered the chance to become as intelligent as Feynman but only if you turn over a copy of all your future thoughts to the private business that made this possible, would you take it? Something non-invasive, like a computer that images your brain while you sleep. No. If you were offered wings so you could fly, but in exchange you must spend rest of your life in a cage, would you take it?

Would it then become important for that business to give these minds that would not make them feel trapped and caged? Wouldn't the quality of results be hampered if lots of suffering were to occur? Could the mind at some point become useless since it would be drowned in depressive, cyclical, and often illogical thought? That, too, would create a research point, but would be pretty inhumane and I would hope an ethics…

There's a Black Mirror episode about this, but saying which episode it is would be a big spoiler. Just watch the whole series if you haven't.
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