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Re: IPhone 4

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Post by brianwillis »

blehn wrote: post #29

Apple is so good at making buttons, it’s almost enough to make one wish they made button-laden devices. Oh come on...Pro mouse, Mighty Mouse, Magic Mouse, current and previous gen macbook trackpad buttons, the previous gen desktop keyboards, iPod click-wheels, Apple Remote...these are some of the worst buttons I've used. Apple has made some decent buttons (I think the current and previous gen MBP keyboards are well m…

Is is truly surprising how the company that took the mouse mainstream now can't make one that's simultaneously aesthetically pleasing and a joy to use.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by blehn »

spicyj wrote: post #32
blehn wrote: post #29

Apple is so good at making buttons, it’s almost enough to make one wish they made button-laden devices. Oh come on...Pro mouse, Mighty Mouse, Magic Mouse, current and previous gen macbook trackpad buttons, the previous gen desktop keyboards, iPod click-wheels, Apple Remote...these are some of the worst buttons I've used. Apple has made some decent buttons (I think the current and previous gen MBP keyboards are well m…

What's wrong with the current trackpad?

- incredibly noisy

- requires too much force to depress

- the travel distance is too far

- the hinged design means that the necessary pressure varies at different locations

I've noticed there is a bit of variation between machines, but most seem to exhibit these behaviors in my experience

Re: IPhone 4

#53

Post by sabj »

I find the hardware to be very delightful, in most respects, and I appreciate the thought and efforts that Apple puts into creating a unified software/hardware 'product solution' even if I disagree violently with some of the philosophical assumptions baked into that in both physical form (hold it differently, buy a case!) and software (you'll like the software we offer you, and we know best what you might want!).

All that aside... I can't say I really enjoy reading daring fireball, for many of the same reasons eloquently described in this thread. Substance (of a sort), but without soul.

Re: IPhone 4

#54

Post by gloob »

guyzero wrote: post #31

OMG Gruber loved the new iPhone! Who would have guessed?

While I sympathize with your feelings on the matter, there's no need to be snarky about it.

Re: IPhone 4

#55

Post by Chump »

gojomo wrote: post #45
Chump wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He tries to emphasize that it happens in only "marginal strength areas" (see also this other post: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/29/gaywood-signal-i... ) but iPhone 4s displaying 'full bars' have been shown to suffer the problem (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmXrVNeGzs )

On the iPhone, signal-strength bars are not a reliable indicator of your local usability. My iPhone 3gs regularly shows 4 or 5 bars -- at the same instant it can't initiate a call or send an SMS. It's either showing some abstract measure of signal strength, unrelated to whether traffic can actually be sent, or it's been programmed to lie.

Do speed tests count as a measure local usability? http://www.cultofmac.com/the-iphone-4-death-grip-is-real-but... versus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYmVpoccPnc

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by blehn »

cmelbye wrote: post #37
blehn wrote: post #29

Apple is so good at making buttons, it’s almost enough to make one wish they made button-laden devices. Oh come on...Pro mouse, Mighty Mouse, Magic Mouse, current and previous gen macbook trackpad buttons, the previous gen desktop keyboards, iPod click-wheels, Apple Remote...these are some of the worst buttons I've used. Apple has made some decent buttons (I think the current and previous gen MBP keyboards are well m…

The current Macbook Pro trackpad button is a dream to use, they've found the perfect amount of pressure required to click in my opinion.

It's definitely a subjective thing, but I think it just sucks. I set my machine to "tap-to-click" within a few minutes.

Re: IPhone 4

#57

Post by generalk »

squidsoup wrote: post #35
blehn wrote: post #29

Apple is so good at making buttons, it’s almost enough to make one wish they made button-laden devices. Oh come on...Pro mouse, Mighty Mouse, Magic Mouse, current and previous gen macbook trackpad buttons, the previous gen desktop keyboards, iPod click-wheels, Apple Remote...these are some of the worst buttons I've used. Apple has made some decent buttons (I think the current and previous gen MBP keyboards are well m…

I'd agree with your assessment of the past Apple mouse lineup (undeniably shocking), but the Magic Mouse gets a lot of things right. I find myself wishing I had a multitouch surface at my work PC instead of the somewhat clunky but serviceable MS mouse.

For me, the Magic Mouse gets one thing horribly wrong: ergonomics. I use a computer at least eight hours of the working day, and potentially much more than that. If I can't be comfortable using a device, it doesn't matter how awesome it is, I can't use it.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by jsz0 »

Chump wrote: post #34
ugh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Downplayed? In what respect?

He tries to emphasize that it happens in only "marginal strength areas" (see also this other post: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/29/gaywood-signal-i... ) but iPhone 4s displaying 'full bars' have been shown to suffer the problem (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmXrVNeGzs )

Without knowing more concrete information either way it's irresponsible to go too far in either direction.

Re: IPhone 4

#59

Post by ary »

antidaily wrote: post #6

The new volume buttons, silence toggle, and power button all have a better feel than ever before. No way. The buttons feel cheap compared to the 3GS. The silence toggle is a piece of shit. And I preferred the volume up/down as one button.

Say what you will about the volume and lock buttons, but the new silence toggle is great. About once a day I would accidentally switch my phone from ring to silent (or vice versa) with my 3GS.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by thwarted »

brianwillis wrote: post #51
blehn wrote: post #29

Apple is so good at making buttons, it’s almost enough to make one wish they made button-laden devices. Oh come on...Pro mouse, Mighty Mouse, Magic Mouse, current and previous gen macbook trackpad buttons, the previous gen desktop keyboards, iPod click-wheels, Apple Remote...these are some of the worst buttons I've used. Apple has made some decent buttons (I think the current and previous gen MBP keyboards are well m…

Is is truly surprising how the company that took the mouse mainstream now can't make one that's simultaneously aesthetically pleasing and a joy to use.

I can't use the Magic Mouse because it doesn't fit my human-sized man-hand: it has no palm support. And this strikes me as odd because how it looks should be extremely secondary: the only way to effectively use a mouse is to look at the screen not at the mouse, and even if you were to look at it, your hand is covering it up.

For those reasons, I find it neither aesthetically pleasing nor a joy to use. It's unfortunate that aesthetics have been merely associated with how something looks when it's just sitting there and doesn't take into account a pragmatic, active angle (not saying that that's how you associate aesthetics, brianwillis).

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