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Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

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Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#41

How is it ever legal to break into a business's property and secretly video the operations? You surely can't sneak into a factory and record their processes to sell to China. Is it only allowed when it's being used for protesting, not for stealing IP? Or only on farms but not in factories? What about trespass law? Non-disclosure agreements for employees? Are those invalid?

Legality and the morality of the times may be different species, but speaking only on the latter, would you say the same thing about people who do undercover investigations in other areas (like sweat shops, child labor and many other things that most people would agree as unethical)? Shouldn't it be the law that should catch up?

Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#42

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When your job is, eg, slaughtering pigs, or swearing at engines, or dealing with abusive customers (or abusive editors I suppose), you might reconsider.

Swearing at engines isn't illegal or morally reprehensible. Animal abuse is.

Valuing the lives of animals over people is morally reprehensible. Which is why I suggest eating vegans.

Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When your job is, eg, slaughtering pigs, or swearing at engines, or dealing with abusive customers (or abusive editors I suppose), you might reconsider.

Swearing at engines isn't illegal or morally reprehensible. Animal abuse is.

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Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#44

Isn't trespassing, regardless of what you do once you are on private property without permission, already illegal? The video would just be evidence of the crime the person doing the filming committed by being there in the first place. It seems silly that there would need to be a separate law for this.

It is already illegal, but now you can be charged with more offenses than before. Also, the penalty may possibly be higher than for trespassing (didn't check if it's true).

It seems to be a common thing in the US. In similar way, IIRC some states have laws which make it a separate crime to use a firearm to murder someone or federal telecommunication law apparently penalizes using telco networks for obscenity and harassment which is something Title II Net Neutrality opponents like to complain about.

Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swearing at engines isn't illegal or morally reprehensible. Animal abuse is.

Valuing the lives of animals over people is morally reprehensible. Which is why I suggest eating vegans.

I don't understand your point. No human lives would be endangered by sparing the lives of other animals.

Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#46

This is great news for those that try to work to improve conditions for farm animals. Collecting this footage is already risky as it is (violent retribution is not unheard of), but remains a crucial tool in convincing people that factory farming (ie, more than ~95% of animal agriculture in the US) continues to treat animals brutally and inhumanely.

Besides that, if some business doesn't want to show you something, it's usually a big red flag that everyone should know about it. Business are not people, they don't have genitals to hide, they should have as little privacy as it's commercially and ethically viable.

Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#47

So, combined with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14723415 that makes TWO rulings today affirming the right to record pigs…

That's a disgusting thing to say. Before calling police officers pigs, consider that they're the ones who show up to fight for your life when you need them. There's definitely ways to improve policing in America, but the vast majority of them are honorable people doing a dangerous job and serving their countrymen.

Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#48

So, combined with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14723415 that makes TWO rulings today affirming the right to record pigs…

That's a disgusting thing to say. Before calling police officers pigs, consider that they're the ones who show up to fight for your life when you need them. There's definitely ways to improve policing in America, but the vast majority of them are honorable people doing a dangerous job and serving their countrymen.

You're a Trump supporter, and defend decisions such as his travel ban, and call people proposing a higher minimum wage "unhinged".

I'm surprised that you're appalled by someone making a crass generalization. Maybe you only notice these kinds of vulgar pronunciations when they target things that are popular with right wingers?

Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a disgusting thing to say. Before calling police officers pigs, consider that they're the ones who show up to fight for your life when you need them. There's definitely ways to improve policing in America, but the vast majority of them are honorable people doing a dangerous job and serving their countrymen.

You're a Trump supporter, and defend decisions such as his travel ban, and call people proposing a higher minimum wage "unhinged". I'm surprised that you're appalled by someone making a crass generalization. Maybe you only notice these kinds of vulgar pronunciations when they target things that are popular with right wingers?

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Re: Judge rules Utah law banning undercover farm filming is unconstitutional

#50

So, combined with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14723415 that makes TWO rulings today affirming the right to record pigs…

That's a disgusting thing to say. Before calling police officers pigs, consider that they're the ones who show up to fight for your life when you need them. There's definitely ways to improve policing in America, but the vast majority of them are honorable people doing a dangerous job and serving their countrymen.

Don't count on anybody in the us coming to your rescue when you need them. People working in the us government only work for themselves.
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