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NY hotels trying to outlaw short-term home sublets (i.e. AirBnB)

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Re: NY hotels trying to outlaw short-term home sublets (i.e. AirBnB)

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I wonder what the maximum occupancy laws are like. Could you get around this by simply putting down on paper that you're subletting for a month when they're just staying overnight?

Or perhaps by having no "early termination" penalty in the one month "contract".

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post #21

I wonder what the maximum occupancy laws are like. Could you get around this by simply putting down on paper that you're subletting for a month when they're just staying overnight?

Or perhaps by having no "early termination" penalty in the one month "contract".

could this possibly be abused by them refusing to leave?

I guess if you put in the contract how much it costs per night they'd at least legally owe you in full.

Re: NY hotels trying to outlaw short-term home sublets (i.e. AirBnB)

#23
Does that mean these are actually legal currently? I assumed that they were illegal in most jurisdictions, since most municipalities have some sort of regulation on short-term rentals, at least to the extent of requiring registration and an occupancy tax paid, which most AirBnB 'landlords' aren't complying with. But enforcement is difficult / not a priority when it comes to single individuals renting out a room--- enforcement is usually directed more towards, say, someone who owns an entire apartment complex running an unlicensed hotel out of it.

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYC is scam central when it comes to subleasing and renting out rooms. There are tons of people in rent controlled apartments who have no moral qualms about making a buck off of their sublettor or roommate. Another reason AirBNB is interesting because they are making it obvious who these people are and where they live...

Absolutely. The NYC real estate market is an absolute nightmare in so many ways. Right now it seems most akin to the DeBeers control over the diamond market (ie: an industry based on false scarcity).

No, I think apartments really are scarce. It's not like landlords are sitting on vast quantities of inventory to drive up rents.

That said, rent regulation (mostly rent stabilization vs. rent control, these days) does skew the market, creating a small number of lottery winners lucky to have below-market rents and driving up rents for everyone else competing for the unregulated inventory, regardless of their economic status.

Re: NY hotels trying to outlaw short-term home sublets (i.e. AirBnB)

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYC is scam central when it comes to subleasing and renting out rooms. There are tons of people in rent controlled apartments who have no moral qualms about making a buck off of their sublettor or roommate. Another reason AirBNB is interesting because they are making it obvious who these people are and where they live...

Absolutely. The NYC real estate market is an absolute nightmare in so many ways. Right now it seems most akin to the DeBeers control over the diamond market (ie: an industry based on false scarcity).

Only sort of. Rent control's been phased out quite a bit over the decades and since the financial collapse, market rents are below the rent control caps all over the city. I'm currently in a rent-controlled apt, not paying full rent because the rent-controlled maximum drifted above what the market would bear.

In 2008, you'd definitely have been right.

Re: NY hotels trying to outlaw short-term home sublets (i.e. AirBnB)

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post #15

Is the rental contract between the customer and the room provider or between the customer and airbnb? One way to approach enforcement would to be to set a threshold on the number of units a room provider can offer without being subject to the hotel regulations. AirBnB can easily enforce such restrictions.

Imo, it'd be a good idea for AirBnB to independently attempt some sort of threshold like that. I think its strongest niche is rooms or couches rented out by actual people who also live at that location. But there are (esp in NYC) a decent number of listings that are basically hostels / unlicensed hotels, and not all are entirely up-front about the fact that you're renting a room from a commercial operation that manages a bunch of rooms in the property, not from an individual who lives there.

The rise of those kinds of operators has definitely made me warier of using AirBnB now, while I used to be able to assume that most listings on the site were legit individuals renting out rooms/couches in their own homes.

Re: NY hotels trying to outlaw short-term home sublets (i.e. AirBnB)

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Last week I rented a room for a week through airbnb.com at a place that is basically running a commercial hotel operation (as an aside, the place was great) while apartment hunting in NYC.

While there, my girlfriend dug up a bunch of stories about the neighbors complaining about condo unit owners leasing out units to this place. I can understand both sides of the argument; if I'd just bought a condo in a building I wouldn't be happy about a large majority of the other units being rented out every night to tourists.

I got the distinct impression that there had been a problem with crime and people being disruptive in the buildings recently, although the whole time we were there it was quiet.

Apparently the owner of this hotel has approached a bunch of building owners with vacant condos and offered to lease them. The building owners are very happy (as apparently they are getting more then they would to rent them as apartments).

I will say that I stayed in a giant two bedroom loft in Williamsburg for about half the cost of a "regular hotel"; so it's definitely appealing.

After checking out, I actually got an email from the hotel with the number for New York Speaker's office asking us to call them about bill Bill A10008.

Re: NY hotels trying to outlaw short-term home sublets (i.e. AirBnB)

#29
Similar initiatives have already be pushed in other cities with vibrant short-term rental markets.

Short term sublets are already outlawed in some neighborhoods of London (e.g. Belgravia, with a potential fine of ~20k pounds). There is also a similar law in Paris since last December, although as a matter of practice it is only enforced after complaints from co-op boards and neighbors who get annoyed at the constant stream of vacation renters. The hotel lobby was behind the law in Paris. Part of the justification was also that owners of short-term rentals, often foreigners themselves, do not declare the rental income on the properties.

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