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Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

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I've been locked out of my AWS account for almost 3 years now. I have 2FA enabled, tied to a phone number I no longer have access to. I receive two emails per month. One invoice, for $0.80 (I cannot remember what is running on there, but I guess it must be something). One threatening, "Your AWS Account is about to be suspended". I've been "about to be suspended" for the entire 3 years. I want to pay the bill, I can't…

your bank can usually notarize the document for free.

This. I do it all the time. They have no problems with it.

Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

#152
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I've been locked out of my AWS account for almost 3 years now. I have 2FA enabled, tied to a phone number I no longer have access to. I receive two emails per month. One invoice, for $0.80 (I cannot remember what is running on there, but I guess it must be something). One threatening, "Your AWS Account is about to be suspended". I've been "about to be suspended" for the entire 3 years. I want to pay the bill, I can't…

You can get something notarized, at least in Illinois, for $1. Just go to a currency exchange. Most banks will do it for free.

Yes, my bank branch notarizes for free.

Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

#153

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at what point does the debt get sold to a debt collector thus causing you more trouble and pain than paying for a notary would cost? Also if you're in the US and maintain a bank account, many banks offer free notary services.

I love your willingness to be blackmailed.

It's practical advice.

Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

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Also having problem with AWS - can't access it and they keep billing me for something there I want to shut it down (EC2?) but I can't. I recently moved from Brazil to UK (new address) and changed phone + sim card (Authenticator after restore from backup lost all 2 factor auth entries). This is the moment when you realise that you're outside of predefined use cases of The Machine and you're fucked. Nobody is here to h…

>Something there in the process is missing like "next of kin" recovery that should be mandatory when enabling 2FAs. wouldn't this just weaken the second factor? Services that have bypasses to 2FA wind up rendering it useless.

NearlyFreeSpeech seems to have pretty comprehensive account recovery procedures, though I can't say I've ever used them.

https://faq.nearlyfreespeech.net/section/login/losteverythin...

Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

#155
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One trick I like is that you can use `account+ @example.com` and a lot of services will consider it a separate e-mail address, even though MTAs will transfer it to the same account; this has the added benefit of being easy to filter for on your e-mail client. I also use this tactic when signing up for web services that I anticipate will spam me. (I import a lot of merch from China/Japan; their unsubscribe systems ten…

I used this trick for years. However, there are downsides. For example, sometimes a service will let you sign up with this just fine, but later when you need to do something else (such as password reset) or a phone agent has to enter it... it chokes. Not to mention after some time passes you may forget what the special bit was and have to fall back to searching your email. Being regimented about the naming system hel…

> Not to mention after some time passes you may forget what the special bit was and have to fall back to searching your email

A password manager solves this problem

Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

#156

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at what point does the debt get sold to a debt collector thus causing you more trouble and pain than paying for a notary would cost? Also if you're in the US and maintain a bank account, many banks offer free notary services.

I love your willingness to be blackmailed.

It's not blackmail. He locked himself out of his account, and Amazon is erring on the side of caution before turning off services and shutting down accounts.

While it might be a nuisance to get a document notarized, it's not some extraordinary hardship. The policy is there to prevent abuse. If he prefers to let his bill go unpaid as a result of locking himself out of his account, that's his choice.

Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

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Whats your proposed resolution for the two cases on this thread?

Unless you have written backup codes, there should not be a resolution possible. You either remember to changes phone #s before you change them, or you are locked out. Deal with the phone company.

> "There should not be a resolution possible"

This guy works in customer service. LOL

If you're sending me a bill, you need to provide a way for me to resolve an issue such as this. "There is not a resolution possible, we will continue billing you in perpetuity thank you good day" is not acceptable. (It's AWS and they do, so maybe it is, but... try building a new service that isn't AWS with that attitude, and see how far it gets you!)

Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

#158

I've been locked out of my AWS account for almost 3 years now. I have 2FA enabled, tied to a phone number I no longer have access to. I receive two emails per month. One invoice, for $0.80 (I cannot remember what is running on there, but I guess it must be something). One threatening, "Your AWS Account is about to be suspended". I've been "about to be suspended" for the entire 3 years. I want to pay the bill, I can't…

I'm sorry for what you have to deal with, and I think as an industry we have definitely not thought through on the 2FA-over-phone system.

But I feel like asking for a notorized letter confirming you are actually "you" is quite reasonable. Otherwise it'll be all too easy for malicious social engineering.

Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

#159

I've been locked out of my AWS account for almost 3 years now. I have 2FA enabled, tied to a phone number I no longer have access to. I receive two emails per month. One invoice, for $0.80 (I cannot remember what is running on there, but I guess it must be something). One threatening, "Your AWS Account is about to be suspended". I've been "about to be suspended" for the entire 3 years. I want to pay the bill, I can't…

I'm sorry for what you have to deal with, and I think as an industry we have definitely not thought through on the 2FA-over-phone system. But I feel like asking for a notorized letter confirming you are actually "you" is quite reasonable. Otherwise it'll be all too easy for malicious social engineering.

What's the consequence of him being impersonated here though? Some fraudster pays his bill and gets nothing out of it?

Re: Still locked out of my AWS account

#160

I've been locked out of my AWS account for almost 3 years now. I have 2FA enabled, tied to a phone number I no longer have access to. I receive two emails per month. One invoice, for $0.80 (I cannot remember what is running on there, but I guess it must be something). One threatening, "Your AWS Account is about to be suspended". I've been "about to be suspended" for the entire 3 years. I want to pay the bill, I can't…

The problem is that as they get bigger, they may soon automate delinquent account notifications to debt collection agencies which could impact your credit rating sometime down the line. You are unfortunately on the wrong side of an asymmetric relationship here.

That's solved by disputing the debt. Document the good faith attempts to pay.
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