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beware that this is only one side of the story. I joined after the re-organisations that Phil mentions in the linked post here were well underway. From all I could tell, no one regrets it. At the position I head, I only heard rumours about the struggle that he went through trying to improve the engineering problems there. Everyone (with perhaps a couple of exceptions) I know personally there (Brazilians or otherwise)…

Note that I never used the term "conniving" myself nor called anyone by name. Someone else did, and that is on them. For me what was most difficult and disappointing was not being able to rally peers or their teams to get the necessary work done. Rather they were too busy sniveling amongst themselves — too jaded from burnout, I suspect. I felt incapable in the role at first until I recognized that it was really a mat…

> Note that I never used the term "conniving" myself

That's true. I only realised it later. My bad.

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I happen to be one of the "incestuous" Brazilian boys. Also, I came from ThoughtWorks. I doubt thowaway999 considers me one of the "bad ones", but I do need to give my two cents here. 1. I fully agree about the fractured organisation with lots of in-fighting. 2. I relate with the statement about "confused hipsters who couldn't differentiate between language du jour and its monads and delivering a product". I think it…

I apologize about calling out the entire Brazilian group by name. That was unfair. Not all of you were bad. I think if you asked folks at large anonymously they would say that their was a whiff of nepotistic networking privilege in whom was hired, why certain immature acts were tolerated from members of the group, and why certain favored outcomes occurred to the Brazilian network disproportionally.

no need to apologise. By no means I read your post as an attack to Brazilians in general. It was at a particular group. That's fine. I just think it's an incorrect assessment.

I concur with the nepotistic networking in part. Everyone tends to refer people they know personally. Our network was strong enough to become some sort of inner joke. I doubt that this was what brought SC down. Immature acts were not restricted to us.

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Hehe, Herval was one of the good ones, cynical but funny and a good engineer :)

Cole, the senior PM is excellent and I feel like he could work elsewhere.

I don't know who you are but thanks! :)

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I happen to be one of the "incestuous" Brazilian boys. Also, I came from ThoughtWorks. I doubt thowaway999 considers me one of the "bad ones", but I do need to give my two cents here. 1. I fully agree about the fractured organisation with lots of in-fighting. 2. I relate with the statement about "confused hipsters who couldn't differentiate between language du jour and its monads and delivering a product". I think it…

Can you go more into detail about the Thoughtworks culture? I applied there while in Chicago and got a strong sense of that from the culture portion of the interview (after the programming challenge).

I can't go too deep about this in public. Their culture has some profound problems, but it's very good in other aspects. I also varies between offices. I don't know much about the one in Chicago.

The concentration of raw talent in their Brazilian office was a humbling experience to me. It was great for some time...

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Hi, former SoundCloud VP here. First I think it is highly inappropriate to use this sad event to blame certain nationalities/groups. I hope everybody agrees that SoundCloud is a much needed product and we all hope for its success. Some general points: Was there a lot of chaos at SC and were some people treated unfairly during that chaos? Yes, most certainly... I am not happy about it. But we were growing like crazy i…

Growing engineering organizations is simply not a reproducible science. Successful companies are so rare and the conditions which led to their success so exclusive that it's much easier to point fingers at the people you disagree with. I think the parent captures this. The backlash which is emerging now are really a products of pent up frustration. SoundCloud was never able to develop a culture which resolved differe…

ding ding ding. we have a winner!

when conflict cannot be meaningfully reconciled the whole system tumbles apart.

fwiw my critique focuses less on specific disagreements but the overall culture. i personally observed more innocent people eaten by this angry machine than necessary. that machine can't be the sole reason the company finds itself in this position today but friction from discord can't help an already uphill battle.

lesson number one: the no asshole rule is inviolable.

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I was a director of an engineering department for SoundCloud for a time and left several years ago. Frankly none of this should be surprising: nobody there could figure out a product definition nor a monetization plan. What is more: the engineering organization at SoundCloud at large was completely fractured and suffered from in-fighting. Nobody trusted anyone across organizations. There was no shortage of bullying e…

Vendo Celta 2 portas, 2014/2015. - Direção, Vidros e Travas

Primo não é parente.

Re: SoundCloud cuts jobs, closes SF and London offices

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Growing engineering organizations is simply not a reproducible science. Successful companies are so rare and the conditions which led to their success so exclusive that it's much easier to point fingers at the people you disagree with. I think the parent captures this. The backlash which is emerging now are really a products of pent up frustration. SoundCloud was never able to develop a culture which resolved differe…

ding ding ding. we have a winner! when conflict cannot be meaningfully reconciled the whole system tumbles apart. fwiw my critique focuses less on specific disagreements but the overall culture. i personally observed more innocent people eaten by this angry machine than necessary. that machine can't be the sole reason the company finds itself in this position today but friction from discord can't help an already uphi…

Is growing like crazy the issue? You lower the bar for hire and not enough time is given for the new employee to integrate into the culture. Instead new teams make their own cultures, and fight hard for their own success at the peril of company's success.

Re: SoundCloud cuts jobs, closes SF and London offices

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SoundCloud employee here. If you are hiring, please reach out to people from SoundCloud. The decisions of who to let go were not based on performance. A lot of amazing people, both attitude and technically.

Trello's hiring for a bunch of different roles, Front and Back-End (node), Internal Tools Developer, and Site Reliability Engineer are all listed at https://trello.com/jobs . Anywhere in the US.

We've also got a lot of Product roles coming up, specifically PM positions and some product design stuff on the horizon. Feel free to reach out to me (Lydia M: lydia@trello.com) or my colleague Carrie (Carrie Marvin: carrie@trello.com)

Re: SoundCloud cuts jobs, closes SF and London offices

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I was a director of an engineering department for SoundCloud for a time and left several years ago. Frankly none of this should be surprising: nobody there could figure out a product definition nor a monetization plan. What is more: the engineering organization at SoundCloud at large was completely fractured and suffered from in-fighting. Nobody trusted anyone across organizations. There was no shortage of bullying e…

Hi, my name is Jano González, I work for SoundCloud and I'm from Chile, so it hits me when I see latino americans been stereotyped. I don't know if we ever met, but blaming things on people with a specific nationality it's super fucked up dude, please don't do that.

i apologize if i offended you or anyone else. the mention of "brazilian" is a relevant as a secondary detail. there was a group of problem engineers who were ring led. that group was brazilian. that they were latin american or brazilian is unimportant but a significant identifier of the social group. if they were there when you were you would know exactly who. otherwise it may have been confusing. prejudice is not at play. i was pointing out an organic association.

as i said they don't bear sole responsibility but rather signified the problem for the impunity of being able to break the no asshole rule. other immature apples spoiled the basket as well. plenty of innocent people suffered. none deserved that. burnout is evil. i hope we have all learned our lessons and become better people.

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My biggest gripe with YT recommendations is that songs I hit dislike on and always browse away from are constantly placed in my autoplay queue. There are some songs out there that I just hate and there's just no way for me to avoid them. I've never had this issue with Spotify - mostly because of how differently its recommendations work - and it's probably one of the biggest reasons I've abandoned YT for Spotify.

YT recommendations in general is pretty rubbish

Can vouch for Spotify. Moved from Soundcloud subscription to spotify 10/month. High quality music, great collection and great recommendation.

I kind of feel too much money and not a strong org structure destroyed sound cloud.

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